Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-27 Thread dion
Remember IBM's VisualAge for Java is written in smalltalk and doesn't use a 'native' VM -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Play:http://www.trongus.com - Forwarded by dIon Gillard/Multitask Consulting/AU on 28/08/99 04:15 PM - I wond

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-18 Thread peter pilgrim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Riyad> - What they need from US to help out > Riyad> - What the future looks like. > > The JDK 1.1.8 is nearly finished (the remaining problem is the native > threads vm). > The next JDK 1.2 release will be 1.2.1 because AFAIK there still is no > JCK t

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-18 Thread eric van berkel
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:00:20 Gunnar Stahl wrote: >> > >maybe in the desktop area. And they knew that it was very usefull to create the >thought and feeling of a "java community". But the big heads at solaris >suddenly noticed that linux is becoming more and more stronger and that they >have t

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-18 Thread peter pilgrim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So we're left with a few questions. Should the existing devolopers of > Java porting projects aid an IBM JDK? IBM having greater resources to > throw at this, knowing that their work would go to speed up the > production of a product owned by a corporation, that inte

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-18 Thread Gunnar Stahl
> It is very fascinating to see what is right now going on in the java market. Mainly during the last two or three years there was a big hype going on about java and the "write once run anywhere" promise. Sun claimed it's java to be the solving of the problems of modern computerlanguages. You wri

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Moses DeJong
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Jim Hazen wrote: > It seems that IBM has been pretty forthcoming with respect to support > for opensource people. All of the source to Jikes, and I believe their > JDK can be found on their website. IBM is very interested in using Java > as a middleware to their databases,

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Juergen Kreileder
> Riyad Kalla writes: Riyad> I would like some indication FROM Blackdown for the Riyad> following things just so I'm not so in the dark: Riyad> - The current status of the 1.2 JDK The basic issues are still the same: the native threads vm, and the color depths (actually vario

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Jim Hazen
It seems that IBM has been pretty forthcoming with respect to support for opensource people. All of the source to Jikes, and I believe their JDK can be found on their website. IBM is very interested in using Java as a middleware to their databases, and building web enabled data warehouses. This

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Tod Matola
Hello, I'm just curious. Why is no one talking about the possible experience to be gained from IBM? Because the legal problems are too great, therefore stalling the relationship? Or is IBM unwilling to help (since it sounds they have much more to loose in the relationship)? Or is that it's rela

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Avi Schwartz
I wonder if this has anything to do with IBM's port. Some time ago IBM posted a technical preview of 1.1.6 for Linux (people that used it say it is extremely fast). IBM is probably working, as we speak, on version 1.2 to support their upcoming VisualAge for Java/Linux. Maybe Blackdown decided no

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Tod Matola
Hello, I would have to agree with Mike about a commercial port (we need one, or at least a commercially back port). I'm not sure that we should have to pay for it though (although I know my boss would). I think is very hard to convince people they should develop Java technologies for free (whe

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Mike Christiansen
I see two points: 1. Having felt frustrated for some time with the lack of visible progress, I posted a message asking how I could help. No response. 2. There was a comment in an earlier message that a commercial product was not a good idea. I don't see why. Clearly, from the apparent difficulty

Re: We need change, I think...

1999-08-17 Thread Jim Hazen
I'm going to have to agree completely. Now I can only imagine what a colossal PITA porting JDK 1.2 must be, given the bazillion API changes ranging from sound to 3D graphics support, but at least give us up to date information, at least once a week I'd say. Even if all they said was that they ha

We need change, I think...

1999-08-16 Thread Riyad Kalla
This is how I personally feel and would urge anyone in the same boat to help row, errr... to support this. I would like some indication FROM Blackdown for the following things just so I'm not so in the dark: - The current status of the 1.2 JDK - If they are pleased with its progress -