Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Twilleager
Oops. Anyways, we do here what you all are saying and are trying to work through the issues. The timing of current events isvery unfortunate, and I wish nothing but good things for anyone who has worked on Java 3D. Doug Twilleager Sun Microsystems Doug Twilleager wrote: Thanks Paul. Because of

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread John Wright
Ian, I'm afraid I disagree. While Mac support would be great and certainly a big benefit to Java 3D, I doubt lack of Mac support had much of an impact on the success of Java 3D. Fading, on hold, or cancelled support of Java 3D in my opinion is a huge mistake of Sun's. APIs like Java 3D are criti

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread William Denniss
I agree with the sentement regarding commercial grade 3D applications, I think that the time is definitally right for this. However, I have now lost faith in Sun's Java3D. I started my project several months ago in Java3D. Life interrupted for a few months and by the time I got back to it, all o

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread kindy huang
One example around me, in our school's cs computer lab all machines used Sun solaris before, now they are all changed to Linux. --- Paul Pantera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was a member of the Java 3D group at Sun from its > inception to the initial > round of layoffs in November 2001. So per

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread William Denniss
On Saturday 09 August 2003 00:32, you wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Pantera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ... Perhaps they will > > eventually decide to make Java 3D open source. However, be > > careful what you wish for. The Java 3D source is huge and > > complex. Th

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread N. Vaidya
Just wondering... If Sun doesn't want to open source the Java 3D API, what is stopping them from coming out with an open source "simple/model" scenegraph renderer based on jogl ? Someone like Doug T., from what I have heard and known about him, should be able to slap one together casually. At the

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread Ivan Yosifov
reads like this or "is java3d dead" in the forum. Ivan. From: Doug Twilleager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Discussion list for Java 3D API <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:42:09 -0700 No offense taken.

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread Ivan Yosifov
AIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:32:00 +0200 > -Original Message- > From: Paul Pantera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... Perhaps they will > eventually decide to make Java 3D open source. However, be > careful what you wish for. The

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread "Schäfer, Peter"
> -Original Message- > From: William Denniss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > What about Blackdown ? They should have pretty good insight into the > > complexities of Java3D. > > Are they interested in developing it further ? > > But the problem is that Blackdown only runs on linux which

[JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread Ian M Nieves
I would like to take a moment to wonder why Jaav3D seems to be losing support from Sun... or atleast why support is being directed to other projects. I can only imagine it is because Java3D has not become as popular as they had hoped. IF that is the reason... then all I can wonder is WHY DIDNT JA

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread ZACZEK, MARIUSZ P. (MARIO) (JSC-DM) (NASA)
-Original Message- From: William Denniss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned On Saturday 09 August 2003 00:32, you wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Pantera [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-14 Thread "Schäfer, Peter"
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Pantera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... Perhaps they will > eventually decide to make Java 3D open source. However, be > careful what you wish for. The Java 3D source is huge and > complex. There are native sections for Solaris, Windows/OpenGL, > and W

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-11 Thread William Denniss
On Saturday 09 August 2003 10:50, Mario wrote: > "you loose the benifit of J3D being cross platform" > > That's not true...J3D is still cross platform in the sense that code you > write in Windows will work on Linux...so, you can compile in Windows and > the classes should transfer to Linux. Althou

[JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-10 Thread Paul Pantera
I was a member of the Java 3D group at Sun from its inception to the initial round of layoffs in November 2001. So perhaps I can provide some insight as to why Java 3D is losing support from Sun. The reason is because the popularity and performance of Linux and commodity Intel compatible processor

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-08 Thread N. Vaidya
Very much appreciate it Doug. Extraordinarily comforting to say the least. And in general to the list, my humble opinion is that if at all there was a time to think of doing 3D graphics with Java, now is probably the best time. Especially so, after all the public announcements and commitments to 3

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-08 Thread Doug Twilleager
No offense taken. The only thing I can offer right now is my sincerest appologies for this whole process taking so long. I really do feel for all you developers who have been waiting for an official answer. My only explanation is that Sun is a big company, and it sometimes takes big companies a

Re: [JAVA3D] Lessons Learned

2003-08-08 Thread Doug Twilleager
Thanks Paul. Because of where I am at, I can't say anything too public about what is going on. We are working towards something that should make the Java 3D development community happy. Doug. Paul Pantera wrote: I was a member of the Java 3D group at Sun from its inception to the initial round