[The Java Posse] Re: Scala for the enterprise?

2008-12-16 Thread Alan Kent
I thought the technical point was in the first sentence - the point that minor typos cause very strange/confusing error messages. Because of things like you can leave out semi colons, leave out parenthesis, etc - all useful in their own ways - it means that given a sequence of tokens the comp

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala for the enterprise?

2008-12-16 Thread peter
Hi Reinier, I read your rant but I do not see *any* technical points. Could you please provide some actual technical ammo as well besides just basically saying scala sucks (since it's academic or it can not handle some typos [sic])? Thanks, Peter On Dec 16, 5:06 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote

[The Java Posse] Re: Java 7 features - Perhaps no JSR-295, 296 and 310.

2008-12-16 Thread sherod
It's ironic isn't it. Date handling is used in almost every Java program and yet 1 guy is working on improvements 3 hours a week. If a community wants to solve a problem, how about this one instead of yet another web frame work / app server / logging system? (Yes, I could follow my own advice a

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala for the enterprise?

2008-12-16 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
No amount of tooling in the world is going to fix scala's uncanny ability to throw tantrums the moment you make some typos. Scala is like an older ferrari or lamborghini. Very very cool, but the thing will bite your head off unless you're a trained expert. Until scala makes some steps to address

[The Java Posse] Re: On Generics and Reflection (episode 215)

2008-12-16 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
I don't understand why people (including the posse themselves) continue to be confused about type erasure. it's -very- simple. Generics is _never_ erased from TYPES. It is _always_ erased from OBJECTS. That's all there is to it. On Dec 16, 7:32 pm, "d.j.hagberg" wrote: > There was an excell

[The Java Posse] Re: On Generics and Reflection (episode 215)

2008-12-16 Thread Casper Bang
That's neat. However, I don't know about others, but my issue with erasure is not that it's cumbersome or somtimes impossible to introspect, but how it exposes a handicap right there in the type- system preventing me from writing certain kinds of code. Imagining something you wish to have implemen

[The Java Posse] On Generics and Reflection (episode 215)

2008-12-16 Thread d.j.hagberg
There was an excellent post by Kohsuke today on java.net that talks about how to use the java.lang.reflect.Type class to introspect generics and write code that can handle signatures of List vs. List correctly. I think this answers the question of how javac, jaxb, and other utilities handle gener

[The Java Posse] Java 7 features - Perhaps no JSR-295, 296 and 310.

2008-12-16 Thread Casper Bang
Amidst all the crowd yaying of the latest podcast, some grave news are hitting the tubes: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-2008/jw-12-year-in-review-2.html https://jsr-310.dev.java.net/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=1389 At the prospect of being tormented by Calendar and Date for another