Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Hat colours

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Becker
And then a dinosaur comes and forces you to swap the green skivvy for a blue one. Such is life. Peter Christian Catchpole wrote: I wonder if the wiggles have the same issues. I heard their colour choices were down to who got to the skivvy shop the quickest. On Dec 10, 10:44 am, Joe

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Becker
Brian Leathem wrote: On 10/12/09 8:10 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: I always thought Service-Oriented-Architecture was a a devteam take-a- break bullshit word. You know, something you tell the brass so they get off your back for a month or two, giving the team time to spend some much

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Of course it's your opinion. It's the internet - what isn't? The point is: Your opinion was very rude. On Dec 11, 8:22 am, kibitzer dunl...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that some (ex-)netbeans developers and many sun engineers read these forums only adds to the extreme rudeness of this kind

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
There's talk of opening netbeans? Whatever are you on about? Netbeans is open already. Has been for quite some time. Have a look: http://hg.netbeans.org/ No need to ask for anything. Just import the repository and start coding. The forum thread referenced by the OP *SPECIFICALLY* mentions that

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans UML plugin status ?

2009-12-11 Thread Tim Davenport
Unfortunatly SOA, UML and Visual Web plugins are unfunded and will not be released going forward, The conspiracy theorist in me knows that the free SUN, SOA especially, solution were as good or better than the Oracle offerings which cost 100's of thousands of dollars to license in production. The

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Casper Bang
I don't really see anything rude here and I understand the OP, also having relied on JSR's which have gradually and silently morphed into zombies. Sun engineers have had to cancel and postpone plenty of stuff for resource reasons, this notion is apparent in many Sun lead projects now and even in

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans 6.8 has arrived

2009-12-11 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Casper Bang wrote: Oddly enough, no JavaFX support in the OS independent bundle. Also, was kinda hoping Sun would pay back Google by offering some JavaFX to Android bridge. My *opinion* (after a few readings months ago) is that Google doesn't absolutely want Sun to port JavaFX to Android.

[The Java Posse] Project Lambda: Straw-Man Proposal Posted

2009-12-11 Thread Serge Boulay
for those interested, Mark posted the Straw-Man proposal http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/lambda/straw-man/ his blog http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/closures_straw_man -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send

[The Java Posse] Re: Project Lambda: Straw-Man Proposal Posted

2009-12-11 Thread Casper Bang
So will Project Lambda and Project Coin eventually map to each their own JSR's, forming JDK7 along with JSR-292 (InvokeDynamic), JSR-294 (Jigsaw), JSR-308 (type annotations), JSR-166xyz (Doug Lea's concurrency stuff) and NIO2 (new new I/O)? Is this the current state of JDK7? It's getting a little

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans UML plugin status ?

2009-12-11 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Jesus, Tim. I just finished yelling at some other paranoid nutcase for blaming this on sun/oracle. Sit down, and listen. Oracle hasn't bought sun YET. The SEC would get rather extremely concerned if oracle has already been telling sun to deep-six a bunch of FOSS competition, and has apparently

[The Java Posse] Re: Project Lambda: Straw-Man Proposal Posted

2009-12-11 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
It's not that hard to find. Just read Mark Reinhold's blog. That is indeed the plan; no JDK7 final release until there's a java7 JSR with the votes to carry it. You may fill in the blanks and presume that such a JSR would take the form of an umbrella JSR, as all javaX JSRs have been so in the

[The Java Posse] Re: Project Lambda: Straw-Man Proposal Posted

2009-12-11 Thread Casper Bang
It's not that hard to find. Just read Mark Reinhold's blog. I know. It's just that some info end on this blog, something else on another blog, then this mailing-list and then another mailing-list. Alex Miller used to track this pretty well, but it appears he has given up because it appears

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread kibitzer
I am genuinely baffled and somewhat taken aback by the vitriol in this thread. I'm not sure what it is I did wrong. Was it posting a link to the thread on another forum? If so, my only intent there was to say, Hey look -- looks like no more SOA plugins, this looks official. I certainly was not

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Ben Schulz
I'll quote Reinier from the UML-plugin-thread: Jesus, Tim. I just finished yelling at some other paranoid nutcase for blaming this on sun/oracle. Sit down, and listen. So, if you're still concerned, well, I really can't help you. With kind regards Ben On 12 Dez., 01:12, kibitzer

[The Java Posse] Re: Project Lambda: Straw-Man Proposal Posted

2009-12-11 Thread gafter
On Dec 11, 2:36 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: I see JSR-294 is now dead as well, so strike that from the list above. Jsr-294 is alive and well, in spite of OSGi propaganda to the contrary. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java

[The Java Posse] Java Posse Roundup 2010 - Dates Announced

2009-12-11 Thread Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse)
Hello everyone! The Java Posse Roundup 2010 will be March 16th to 19th in Crested Butte, CO, with free JVM language day on the 15th dedicated to the various language options on the JVM (coding dojos, birds of a feather, etc.). Sign up details will be posted soon! -- You received this message

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Leathem
On 11/12/09 5:10 PM, Ben Schulz wrote: I'll quote Reinier from the UML-plugin-thread: Jesus, Tim. I just finished yelling at some other paranoid nutcase for blaming this on sun/oracle. Sit down, and listen. So, if you're still concerned, well, I really can't help you. With kind

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Steven Herod
That other guy is Michael Neale. He's clearly a pervert. On the subject of SOA, which got flamed a few posts up, I think you need to separate the concept of thinking of an Enterprise architecture as a collection of Services, which has real value, from the WS-* train wreck. Yes, SOA is over

[The Java Posse] Re: No more SOA for NetBeans?

2009-12-11 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Well, vitriol is what happens when you post paranoid horse manure. If you'd like to avoid it in the future, don't post paranoid rantings. Just post the scoop (officious response that SOA plugin is effectively dead), and if you can't manage to add commentary that doesn't paint all of sun as evil