Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Casper Bang wrote: I'd exclude Microsoft, but sure, that's the fun category. :) Fun for people who don't use it, you mean? :-) -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fa

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Casper Bang
> I wouldn't call their CPU business more conservative than similar > businesses. Their research group is definitely not legacy or > conservative. It's bleeding edge and is considered among the best of > private industry research. They have large consulting groups which are > very sales/business or

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread MassH
I'm curious. How do you judge that IBM is "primarily servicing conservative and legacy systems"? I wouldn't call their CPU business more conservative than similar businesses. Their research group is definitely not legacy or conservative. It's bleeding edge and is considered among the best of priva

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Where is JavaFX Mobile?

2010-01-28 Thread Robert Casto
A better measurement would be based on the number of users. How many of them have more than say 100,000 users or even just 25,000 users. I'm not sure the number, but the good apps will be popular and I wonder how many of their 140,000 are used by a lot of people? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:19 PM,

[The Java Posse] Re: Where is JavaFX Mobile?

2010-01-28 Thread Karsten Silz
On Jan 26, 1:35 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > I pretty much agree with that analysis, just wanted to point out that > Android Marked went from 20.000 to 25.000 over the last month or > so:http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/23/unofficial-count-android-market... Apple now claims 140,000 apps in the sto

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Wildam Martin wrote: It looks more like they are going to combine it really not just making it a side track. It seems it is getting an alltogether huge event. - My fear is: Will the infrastructure at the location be capable of managing that huge amount of people? ;-) It's up to Moscone's pe

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Karsten Silz
On Jan 28, 1:21 pm, "fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it" wrote: > Well, "making NetBeans the best IDE for JSE, JEE, JME and > JavaFX" doesn't seem to be pushed to the web corner too much > ;-) What NetBeans is losing focus about is JRuby and support > for other dynamic languages; but the IDE stays open

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Casper Bang
That was kind of expected, especially given their focus on hardware - Oracle already makes huge money by delivering non-cloud software (and I believe Larry famously said the cloud is dead). Ironically, I think we're finally moving into the age appropriate for Sun's old moniker "the network is the c

re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
> First of all, this is very positive news for the Sun > employees since most of them will keep their job. Where > the products overlap, the Sun stuff (Glassfish, Netbeans, > MySQL) seems to be pushed into the "web corner" with the > Oracle Stuff (Weblogic, JDeveloper, Oracle DB) firmly > remainin

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:18, Karsten Silz wrote: > I am now convinced that being taken over by Oracle was better for Sun > than being taken over by IBM and HP and is better for the industry as > a whole Yep, I think so too - even if I do not feel of really having much insight. -- Martin Wilda

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Karsten Silz
On Jan 28, 5:11 am, "pub...@lesstroud.com" wrote: > They are killing, at least, one project.  Kenai is dead.  See the FAQ > on OTN. First of all, this is very positive news for the Sun employees since most of them will keep their job. Where the products overlap, the Sun stuff (Glassfish, Netbean

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:09, kirk wrote: > J1 appears to be dead... but it will be treated as a separate part of OW. > Which sort of looks like it's not dead. I'm not sure of all of the thinking > behind the decision to move but I bet that much of it was... the EU stalled > long enough that we s

Re: [The Java Posse] Oracle Webcast Discussion Thread

2010-01-28 Thread Wildam Martin
I didn't watch (so far) the primary announcement, but only a few of those (the Java and Open Office related) Oracle webcasts http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html and not the main presentation of Larry (didn't notice a link to that) and... On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 19:56, pub...@l