[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-02 Thread Steven Herod
oooh... That puts the Nexus One equal or beyond the 3gs now? On Feb 3, 9:08 am, Casper Bang wrote: > Looks like Google finally decided to flick Apple the finger, > yay:http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/02/nexus-one-gets-a-software-update-e... > > On Feb 2, 4:21 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > > > > >

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-02 Thread Casper Bang
Looks like Google finally decided to flick Apple the finger, yay: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/02/nexus-one-gets-a-software-update-enables-multitouch/ On Feb 2, 4:21 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > More evidence of > dictatorship:http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/?utm_source=fee.

RE: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Todd Costella
I think the emphasis of using usage data to figure out exactly how folks are using your app is a good measure. It's nice to at least have some backup when someone says "we need to update blah because of ..." you can at least say well four people used that feature last year so if you really want it,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Robert Casto
Saying no is not an option usually. The problem comes when IT is expected to something quick for this task or project. Later another project comes along and wants something quick. It can't be done easily because of the previous project. They are told it will take longer and they don't understand

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Todd Costella wrote: > Somewhat related to this discussion is the excellent post by Lukas > Mathis: http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2010/02/02/removing-features/ > Now I have to stop and call BS :) I'm all in favor of removing features. I'm not in favor of saying no

[The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Todd Costella
Somewhat related to this discussion is the excellent post by Lukas Mathis: http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2010/02/02/removing-features/ From: javaposse@googlegroups.com [mailto:javapo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Casto Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 201

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > Does it fall to us to educate management though? I find that long term > issues tend to be overlooked since the immediate need is great, here, and > now. Let tomorrow fend for itself. > I've been thinking about writing a presentation on the t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Robert Casto
Does it fall to us to educate management though? I find that long term issues tend to be overlooked since the immediate need is great, here, and now. Let tomorrow fend for itself. The problem that IT tends to pay big time from this approach, not those who make the decisions. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > Exactly. Customers always want more. There is always something else that > can be done. > > IT just says yes even when it makes no sense. We need to do a better job of > educating users that there are costs associated with their requests. Not

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Robert Casto
Exactly. Customers always want more. There is always something else that can be done. IT just says yes even when it makes no sense. We need to do a better job of educating users that there are costs associated with their requests. Not just to make the change, but to be able to maintain it, documen

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread kirk
Steven Herod wrote: Oh bullshit (re: the article) I've seen plenty of cheap stuff thrown together that's perfectly fit for purpose - once crap reaches steady state, its doesn't matter how its written, as long as it doesn't need to change. And plenty of software systems can be written and never

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Steven Herod wrote: > Oh bullshit (re: the article) > > I've seen plenty of cheap stuff thrown together that's perfectly fit > for purpose - once crap reaches steady state, its doesn't matter how > its written, as long as it doesn't need to change. And plenty of >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 21:14, Steven Herod wrote: > I've seen plenty of cheap stuff thrown together that's perfectly fit > for purpose - once crap reaches steady state, its doesn't matter how > its written, as long as it doesn't need to change. Looking back the last about 10 years what you write

[The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Steven Herod
Oh bullshit (re: the article) I've seen plenty of cheap stuff thrown together that's perfectly fit for purpose - once crap reaches steady state, its doesn't matter how its written, as long as it doesn't need to change. And plenty of software systems can be written and never need to change for the

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-02 Thread Casper Bang
More evidence of dictatorship: http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch) On Feb 1, 11:48 pm, Christian Catchpole wrote: > I came from the era of the Amiga.  An awesomely design personal > computer for th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 09:18, Viktor Klang wrote: > On the topic of LoC, please read Uncle Bob's latest: http://bit.ly/cYQlvB Liked that article. Regarding LOC or number of classes or whatever statistic that covers code or tracks issue solving: a) Coding is only a part of the development proces

[The Java Posse] Re: Certifications

2010-02-02 Thread Paul Wallace
At the bottom of each page it says that Oracle is reviewing the Sun product roadmap blah blah blah: http://uk.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-052.xml So things are in limbo until the big O decides. Cheers Paul On Jan 30, 6:57 pm, Steve Sobczak wrote: > Is there any word out on the bra

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On the topic of LoC, please read Uncle Bob's latest: http://bit.ly/cYQlvB On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > The usual strategy here is to get the dev team together, and decide to > spend 1 day (or 1 week, whatever the management cycle is), spending it > only on fixing b