[The Java Posse] Re: When corporates blatantly lie

2010-08-30 Thread Casper Bang
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Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Wright
Lets fix that list a bit shall we? It's clearly tailored to make things look harder, lets try again: easy: control flow: loops, iterators, if/else collections: lists, sets, maps basic algebra: expressions, tuples, functions, pattern matching, case classes basic OO: singletons, traits,

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Concurrent Animated latest release

2010-08-30 Thread Victor Grazi
I would love to create an animation for Fork and Join - I am not quite sure what it would look like, Any ideas for FJ animations that a person can watch and say aha!? Thanks, Victor Kevin Wright View profile

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Wright
Ahh, the belief that some more abstract language contains concepts that simply aren't relevant to you. This is perhaps *the* defining characteristic of a blub developer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(computer_programmer)#Blub

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java Concurrent Animated latest release

2010-08-30 Thread Kirk
Hey Victor, I have some ideas about fork-join but I'm afraid it won't fit into your current template. You really need a queue based view instead of the barrier based view that you are using. Kirk On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Victor Grazi wrote: I would love to create an animation for Fork

[The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Casper Bang
 On the other hand, Scala gives you the equally awesome power of type classes, which demand static typing.  Take your pick! Umm, feels like you're missing something: Fantom gives you static typing when you can, dynamic typing when you can't - the time of having to pick one over another, is gone.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Josh Berry
2010/8/29 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: And also: loops, iterations, if, lists, tuples, sets, maps, fields, methods, singleton objects, traits, operators and operator overloading, expressions, case classes, pattern

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Josh Berry
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, Scala gives you the equally awesome power of type classes, which demand static typing. Take your pick! Umm, feels like you're missing something: Fantom gives you static typing when you can,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Josh Suereth
The statement Scala is Complex doesn't bother me. Scala is Too complex starts to irk. Too complex for who? Too Complex for what? Then any sort of random blanket statement that is false really irritates, such as much of what was stated about Kojo. When you learn to program, do you learn

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Wright
I agree with that conclusion that the debate may become irelevant, though not your reasoning. First, Java really is not representative of static typing, that would be like using the tellytubbies as an example of British television. OCaml is good for typing, Scala is very good, the

[The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Casper Bang
Certainly, but this is a Java forum and within Java, platform interoperability (embracing your surroundings) is seen as a danger to the agenda of OS interoperability (this is what you get, no more and no less). I am sure that some Android guys for instance look a little jealous over at MonoDroid

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: And, to me, the fact that Scala can support a language that doesn't immediately require knowledge of advanced data structures and control flow is what makes it a pretty awesome language. I agree, it's great. But it doesn't

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote: That fact that you *have* listed some concepts twice like this shows that you really haven't understood Scala well enough to be able to fairly judge it. Actually, I followed the table of contents of the Scala book,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Josh Berry
2010/8/30 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: And, to me, the fact that Scala can support a language that doesn't immediately require knowledge of advanced data structures and control flow is what makes it a pretty awesome

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Wright
Let me get this right You claim to have a coherent understanding of Scala, based not on a book, but rather just the table of contents of a book? Based on this extensive knowledge, you then set out to have a reasoned debate about the language with people who are actively working on open

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Christian Gruber
Ok you two. You're just arguing ad hominem now. And throwing up straw men. Just cut it out and discuss content, not each other's right to discuss content. Sheesh. Christian. On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: Let me get this right You claim to have a coherent

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Concurrent Animated latest release

2010-08-30 Thread Tor Norbye
Really nice! -- Tor P.S. There is a typo in the slide regarding BlockingQueues; it says poll() where it should say take(). (There is a blocking poll(timeout) method, but that's not the one your demo calls and I think put() and take() are what we think of as the blocking operations, and offer()

[The Java Posse] 1Password in Chrome

2010-08-30 Thread Bjarte Stien Karlsen
In ep 319 it was mentioned that 1Password does not work on Chrome. It works fine for me, it is a beta ( v 0.8.1) but it lets me login with my passwords and that is what I want most of the time Here are some setup instructions: http://forum.agile.ws/index.php?/topic/56-setup-instructions/

[The Java Posse] Re: Mushroom season - New language each year

2010-08-30 Thread Roland Tepp
Al long as we are talking about mushroom season: There is Ioke: http://ioke.org/index.html (also discussed in the SE-Radio episode 154: http://www.se-radio.net/2010/01/episode-154-ola-bini-on-ioke/) Pretty neat experiment for a language design, if you ask me... On Aug 27, 11:21 am, Wildam

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote: Let me get this right You claim to have a coherent understanding of Scala, based not on a book, but rather just the table of contents of a book? Based on this extensive knowledge, you then set out to have a

[The Java Posse] Management: For now Java is no longer an option for new development

2010-08-30 Thread CKoerner
Subject says it all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: For now Java is no longer an option for new development

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Casto
Is that throwing the baby out with the bathwater? What else are you going to use? You have to find employees to build it, maintain it, interact with your current systems, and be productive enough so you can bring the new thing to market. I'm really curious why everyone thinks Java is dead? Most

[The Java Posse] Re: Management: For now Java is no longer an option for new development

2010-08-30 Thread Carl Jokl
Not much context to go on. I could guess the context but I might be wrong. On Aug 30, 6:00 pm, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote: Subject says it all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Wright
Okay, so perhaps I flew off the handle a bit. My objections are to the message, not to the messenger. What upsets me are the repeated half truths and falsehoods that I'm seeing here, on a very public forum, where people are almost certainly going to form invalid conclusions. This is a great

[The Java Posse] JavaFX Anyone?

2010-08-30 Thread JamesJ
I find it amazing that any email comparing Java to Scala erupts with comments, while there has been a positive dearth of opinions and discussion on JavaFX. I am tempted to conclude that Scala is indeed a very important movement, judging on the spectrum and intensity of the discussion pro and con.

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Concurrent Animated latest release

2010-08-30 Thread victorg
You are so right! Great catch - it is now corrected. Thanks Victor On Aug 30, 11:58 am, Tor Norbye tor.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Really nice! -- Tor P.S. There is a typo in the slide regarding BlockingQueues; it says poll() where it should say take(). (There is a blocking poll(timeout)

[The Java Posse] Re: So Scala is too Complex?

2010-08-30 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Heh, Kevin, classic maneuvre. You do realize Paul Graham's argument is that _EVERY_ language, including scala, is blub, right? I'd also be careful calling Fabrizio essentially too stupid to realize the world is bigger than java. I'm fairly sure he knows. On Aug 30, 1:42 pm, Kevin Wright

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

2010-08-30 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Nah. Scala fans are just really, _really_ loud. I'm reminded of what a friend once told me 3 years ago, when the discussion came up about what he'd buy for a new notebook. I'd buy a mac, except evidently, if I do, I turn into a jackass. I'm not sure if anyone still remembers, or even if this was