Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Computer Science Education

2010-12-31 Thread Ricky Clarkson
> Try teaching functional programming > in straight Java 6, or object oriented programming in Basic. Oddly enough, I 'discovered' functional programming in straight Java (5 at the time), and object-oriented programming in Basic (Blitz Basic 2). -- You received this message because you are subscr

[The Java Posse] Re: Computer Science Education

2010-12-31 Thread Nick Brown
With your first point, I agree that core skills (though what those core skills are end up being a discussion itself) are the most important for a beginning programming student. But the language choice heavily influences what core skills you can teach and how effectively you can teach them. Try te

[The Java Posse] Re: File.separator question

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
File.separator is intended only for rendering paths to the user. A windows user is going to be very confused by C:/foo/bar. It serves absolutely no purpose anywhere else, and I consider it a bug that this concept is not properly documented in the appopriate java doc. Feel free to mark down any

[The Java Posse] Re: programming theory: Quantum physics...to Java....to Scala?

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
This sounds great, but is basically nonsense. The history of programming language is a heck of a lot more complicated than this pretty but wrong picture that its been an ever increasing waltz from low-level to high-level in neat chunks. For example, there was a heck of a lot of functional progr

Re: [The Java Posse] Single page websites: what about analytics and indexing?

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
You might want to ask this question on the GWT googlegroup, as single-page design is a common theme in GWT apps, and all GWT webapps suffer, heavily, from the indexing problem, as its mostly javascript. As you mentioned, analytics is trivial, there's a JS API to log analytics hits, and AFAIK a

[The Java Posse] Re: JSR-310 and project ThreeTen

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Yup. Three cheers to Stephen for continuing work on JSR-310 in spite of Oracle's piss-poor management of non-oracle community-driven contributions. Though, I'm kinda interested in why this is happening at all. Presumably because the good folks at OpenGamma want JSR-310 finished? -- You receive

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GREAT READ - SO TRUE!

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Just to properly blow this discussion to the netherworld, where it belongs: If you think apple's "mail" program is a better mobile mail experience* than google's own gmail web interface that loads by default if you visit gmail.com on an iPhone, then you're weird. and wrong. Yes, apple _in gene

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GREAT READ - SO TRUE!

2010-12-31 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Sorry to bust your bubble. I'll keep it short: 1. Grey Poupon is just one of 30 mustard makers. (your fallacy is that you're insinuating that with many phone makers, one can never control the market or set all trends. I have no idea what kind of logical reasoning you're using to come to this co

[The Java Posse] JSR-310 and project ThreeTen

2010-12-31 Thread Michael Easter
This strikes me as a sunny ray of Very Good News for the Java community (in the sense of the benefit to Java developers; one recognizes that the reasons for Stephen's dilemma are painful): http://www.jroller.com/scolebourne/entry/what_about_jsr_310 Money Quote 1: "Therefore, I've decided to con

[The Java Posse] Re: Computer Science Education

2010-12-31 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
There are a number of important factors that seem to be missing from all discussions of Computer Science (CS) courses: 1) Advocating which language to teach is pointless without first listing the core skills you are intending the students to graduate with. In turn, advocating the core skills is