Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 09:26, Fernando Cassia wrote: > As usual h-online has some of the best, in-depth reporting when it > comes to Java, without apocalypse headlines that I´m sure will appear > in other sites like TheReg... Oh well, let the games begin... Oracle releases "buggy" Java SE 7 htt

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

And NOT in production on day 0 ;-) On 31/07/2011, at 7:27 AM, mbien wrote: > just don't panic and don't join the yellow press journalism :) > we all know nobody would use a .0 release for anything serious anyway, > most of us are happy to be able to use java 6 or even 5. -- You received this me

[The Java Posse] Re: Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

2 of those 3 bugs are already fixed. just wait a few days and oracle will release a EA build with this fixes - you'll see. just don't panic and don't join the yellow press journalism :) we all know nobody would use a .0 release for anything serious anyway, most of us are happy to be able to use ja

Re: [The Java Posse] "Commercial Features" in Java 7 SE

I'm away on a first nations reserve for a few days, but I'll happily bring this to Oracle afterwards. Or someone can get hold of Dalibor Topic or one of the community team to discuss it a little more quickly. Always good to get these things cleared up Cheers, Martijn On Saturday, 30 July 2011,

[The Java Posse] Re: "Commercial Features" in Java 7 SE

I don't know what the motive behind this specific license construct is. I do know that it makes it very easy to get into what Oracle could view as a non-compliance situation as most developers / ops persons perceive Java to be freely available (with the exception of Java ME), and will happily inst

Re: [The Java Posse] "Commercial Features" in Java 7 SE

Hi all, It's good that these things get raised. My IANAL take on this. Despite the legal language changes, it is not much (any?) different to how Sun had it with Java 5/6 and the commercial products that hung off that. A bunch of us raised this with Oracle back at the start of this year and they

Re: [The Java Posse] Searching for an EventBus for a webapp with Spring

Hi Fabrizio, When I wrote this entry on local message buses, somebody posted a comment saying that they had implemented some of these ideas in a github project. Maybe this will be a good starting point. -- Cédric On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at

[The Java Posse] Re: Searching for an EventBus for a webapp with Spring

Hi Fabrizio, While I use Michael Bushe's EventBus in Swing, It really isn't Swing specific and can surely be used in a webapp. Michael is planning to separate the concerns fully in 2.0. http://eventbus.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java

[The Java Posse] "Commercial Features" in Java 7 SE

Has anyone noted the language regarding "Commercial Features" in the Java 7 SE license agreement? I found it curious and dug a bit around. It appears that while a number of Java 7 SE JRockit and Java for Business features are freely available for download from Oracle's site and subject to the same

Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

I believe the code in Lucene which breaks, along with the tests that exercise that code ( and the breaking test ) were written within the last month. I'm wondering if these optimizations were left off by default in OpenJDK, but only enabled in the Sun JDK build. Does anyone know what difference

Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 09:26, Fernando Cassia wrote: > 5. "Don´t use Java 7 for *anything*" seems to me like just bad faith, > specially given the availability of a work-around (point #3 above). This blog post puts things in perspective: Don´t use Java 7, are you kidding me? http://blog.eisele.

Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 08:34, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > 1. Were these loop-breaking optimizations introduced by default only in > 7.0GA - so they weren't in betas? > 2. If answer#1 is "no", did they try Lucene with betas? I was able to find some more info and it turns out that: 1. that Oracle l

Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 08:34, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > On 07/30/2011 01:08 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >> I have run several apps that I´m sure contains loops, and didnt As everything with Java ... I bet there´s a healthy dose of FUD and politics thrown in to try to ruin Oracle´s Java 7 launc

Re: [The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

On 07/30/2011 01:08 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I have run several apps that I´m sure contains loops, and didnt experience any crash. So what is this fud all about and why can´t Oracle just release a 7.01 with the optimizations disabled by default if it does indeed affect some of the code? see th

[The Java Posse] Java7 and loops - Before FUD gets out of hand...

I have run several apps that I´m sure contains loops, and didnt experience any crash. So what is this fud all about and why can´t Oracle just release a 7.01 with the optimizations disabled by default if it does indeed affect some of the code? see the current activity on Twitter. it´s still small b

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: JDK7 launch for today !

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/cayhorstmann/archive/2011/07/29/java-7-unsafe-any-speed Whatever. These things happen apparently. Besides not releasing they might have released with a warning. Is it *that* difficult to say very recent bugs were discovered ? And that you'll need to switch option x

Re: [The Java Posse] JDK7 loop compilation bugs ?

the other work around is to tell hotspot not to compile the offending method. Regards, Kirk On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Stuart McCulloch wrote: > On 29 Jul 2011, at 23:05, Mark Derricutt wrote: > >> Yes, but you can work around it by using: >> >> -XX:-UseLoopPredicate >> >> I'm getting tir