perhaps you misunderstood me. by "quite a bit higher" I meant higher
than the 0.1% that Cedric cited. Certainly not higher than Java.
Scala is very much a niche. I just think it's a bigger niche than
0.1% for the type of people on this list.
BTW, I am not a Scala advocate.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:05:20 PM UTC-4, phil swenson wrote:
>
> Scala is probably quite a bit higher on the "non-crappy jobs index"
> Most java jobs are doing maintenance work on crappy legacy systems.
>
>
Any language that has been successful for a significant time will have a
relativel
Hi Martin/all
Another place to get jobs charts, at least for the UK, is itjobswatch.co.ukFor
Scala in city of london its
www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/city%20of%20london/scala.do
This currently gives Scala 1.2% with F# at 0.7%, Java at 35% of all jobs
(giving scala about 3.5 of all Java jobs, but
On 09/07/2011 08:07 PM, Kirk wrote:
Cedric,
+1, measure of error and a fine one at that!
I consider Tiobe a useful measure of gross values of most popular stuff.
So, ok for the top of the list, ok for aggregates (I've recently blogged
about the overall static-vs-dynamic typing). Given tha
Cedric,
+1, measure of error and a fine one at that!
On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, martin wrote:
> As an antidote to Tiobe:
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Scala%2C+f%23&l=
>
> This shows Scala at 0.02% of the jobs posted on t
I have no idea what the "relative growth" in that chart would be measuring,
and would doubt it's anything useful. The absolute numbers I showed give a
perspective that sharply differs from Tiobe, that's why I showed them.
By comparison, jobs for Scala are bit less than 1% of all Java jobs in US
"The magic of measuring growth in percents vs/ absolutes."
It's good to remember that "fastest growing" is usually shorthand for
"smallest" in marketing-speak.
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From: "Cédric Beust ♔"
Date: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 12:34 pm
Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: TIOBE of the month: Jav
ever since I saw "Go" soar to #13 a couple years ago, I have had a
very skeptical view of TIOBE.
It was so obviously wrong in that case.
2011/9/7 Cédric Beust ♔ :
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Steel City Phantom
> wrote:
>>
>> after reading the definition of the TIOBE rating, this is pre
As an antidote to Tiobe:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Scala%2C+f%23&l=
Job trends is a pretty non-hypey measure IMO. Note that Scala was close to
top 20 around March 2010. Since then it fell back a lot, seemingly because
Tiobe changed their measurement criteria. I have frankly no idea wh
Just done the same query on with java, and I get
+"java programming language" : 2,570,000 results
+"java programming" : 8,990,000 results
which means that if we take +" programming", we have a factor of
61 difference between java and scala. If we take +" programming
language" we have factor of 6.
Sorry, just correcting myself:
146,000 for +"Scala programming", 412,000 for +"Scala programming language".
Sorry,
Matthew.
2011/9/7 Matthew Farwell
> In fact, the definition used by TIOBE is
>
> +" programming"
>
> Which for me gives 42,100 results for +"Scala programming" and 412,000 for
>
In fact, the definition used by TIOBE is
+" programming"
Which for me gives 42,100 results for +"Scala programming" and 412,000 for
+"Scala programming language", on Google.
Which is very interesting. 10 times the difference.
Matthew.
2011/9/7 Kevin Wright
> Much as I'd hate to accuse TIOBE
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Steel City Phantom wrote:
> after reading the definition of the TIOBE rating, this is pretty useless.
> the way they determine the mindshare rakes up there with a high school
> popularity contest.
Say what you will about TIOBE but I've always found that it's cons
im kinda surprised C-C++ is still in the top 5, i would have thought short
of embedded systems it would be on the decline by now.
after reading the definition of the TIOBE rating, this is pretty useless.
the way they determine the mindshare rakes up there with a high school
popularity contest.
i
It's important to take Tiobe with a grain of salt, however I have no problem
believing Scala is below top-50. Scala's massive hype machine might be
firing on all cylinders, but I reckon there's still a relatively limited
crowd of spectators interested in this SUV race in spite of how loud they
Much as I'd hate to accuse TIOBE of being inherently flawed, here's an
interesting gem:
Google search for "scala language" = 13,100,000 results
for "scala programming language" = 14,500,000 results
TIOBE uses the former term...
In other information, here's an analysis of the 40 top-visited webs
I really don't know that much about F#, could anybody shed some light on
this? Scala's hype machine, at least from where I'm standing (and I guess
I'm part of the java community, which remains the undisputing #1, so that's
a large community) is pretty amazing, and yet Scala's languished in the
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