My only problem with this, is to my knowledge we have invented the
"pure closure" terminology. Again, this would be akin to my claiming
that Java has had varargs since day one. You could always pass object
arrays, after all. Nobody, to my knowledge, ever claimed those were
the same thing. (I'm
>From the best I can gather, the principle disagreement is definitions.
There are three views in this thread:
A) Java has closures. Closures, by definition, do not necessarily
require lambdas or first class functions, which Java doesn't have.
B) Closures, by definition require lambdas and/or first
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Ricky Clarkson
wrote:
> It's myth-debunking time. It's been so long since I had a good myth-debunk.
I'm not sure what myth I was using that you debunked. :( The example
I gave is a full closure where one wouldn't even realize a "lambda"
was being used in most c
JavaFX2 and GWT are exceptions to the rule, the vast majority of Java
APIs/frameworks are not designed to benefit from intense use "closures" even
in cases where such intense use would usually be a no-brainer design -
remarkably collections (where are methods like collect, select, foreach
etc.)
It's myth-debunking time. It's been so long since I had a good myth-debunk.
You can't spot the closure in that Scala code because closures are not
syntax. They are an implementation mechanism provided by compilers. The
term we should have been using all these years is lambdas, which is what
Has
On 09/13/2011 07:28 PM, Josh Berry wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, clay wrote:
Ben + Josh, is this an accurate summary of your viewpoints: Java
doesn't have true closures because of the "final" variable requirement
and that any mutability of "closed" variables from the outer
environmen
On 13 September 2011 16:31, clay wrote:
> "This breaking news, just in: C has objects, and Lisp has static
> types."
>
> Rather than all the snarky replies, how about you actually explain
> what makes the Closure-like functionality in Java not really true
> closures?
>
> I can articulate exactly
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:15 PM, clay wrote:
> Regarding "pass by reference", most people will say Java passes
> objects by reference, when it is more accurate to say that they pass
> object references by value. I don't think there is much confusion or
> debate on that issue.
I think you'd be sur
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Regarding "pass by reference", most people will say Java passes
objects by reference, when it is more accurate to say that they pass
object references by value. I don't think there is much confusion or
debate on that issue.
With Closures, there is a lot of confusion. Java has something
extremely c
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, clay wrote:
> Ben + Josh, is this an accurate summary of your viewpoints: Java
> doesn't have true closures because of the "final" variable requirement
> and that any mutability of "closed" variables from the outer
> environment requires a level of indirection.
>
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Ben + Josh, is this an accurate summary of your viewpoints: Java
doesn't have true closures because of the "final" variable requirement
and that any mutability of "closed" variables from the outer
environment requires a level of indirection.
That's a logically consistent argument, although it's re
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 17:31, clay wrote:
> "This breaking news, just in: C has objects, and Lisp has static
> types."
>
> Rather than all the snarky replies, how about you actually explain
> what makes the Closure-like functionality in Java not really true
> closures?
I'm not the O.P, but I'll
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM, clay wrote:
> "This breaking news, just in: C has objects, and Lisp has static
> types."
>
> Rather than all the snarky replies, how about you actually explain
> what makes the Closure-like functionality in Java not really true
> closures?
I already did. Here, s
"This breaking news, just in: C has objects, and Lisp has static
types."
Rather than all the snarky replies, how about you actually explain
what makes the Closure-like functionality in Java not really true
closures?
I can articulate exactly why C doesn't have real objects. You can do
OO style pro
The IntelliJ IDEA editor (9+) has a feature called "closure folding" for
Java code that makes:
Runnable r = new Runnable() {
public void run() {
System.out.println( "Hello" );
}
};
display and read like:
Runnable r = Runnable() { System.out.println( "Hello" ); };
With the "Runna
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 07:27 +0100, Kevin Wright wrote:
>
[ . . . ]
> This breaking news, just in: C has objects, and Lisp has static types.
>
> More details to come as events unfold.
>
:-)
Kevin,
In reading the entries for this thread, I was at a loss as to where to
dive in. Thanks for provid
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I won't dare to enter the ground of interpreting what's a closure
because I'd get it wrong. But I think that the following statements are
true:
1. "foobar" is a language construct that either is the same thing of a
closure or a subset of a closure
2. foobars are useful for programmers
3. the
On Sep 12, 9:06 pm, Karsten Silz wrote:
> On the Mac, there's a startup sound control...
> ...not compatible with Lion.
Damn! Guess what I've got. :)
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