Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-11 Thread Josh Berry
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Ricky Clarkson wrote: > And a pretty negative perspective on at least some of those: > > http://java.dzone.com/articles/multi-platform-frameworks-0 > > Still, nothing conceptually against the concept of a multi-platform > framework that holds water.  They don't ac

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-11 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:55:30 +0200, Ricky Clarkson wrote: And a pretty negative perspective on at least some of those: http://java.dzone.com/articles/multi-platform-frameworks-0 Still, nothing conceptually against the concept of a multi-platform framework that holds water. They don't actua

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-10 Thread Ricky Clarkson
And a pretty negative perspective on at least some of those: http://java.dzone.com/articles/multi-platform-frameworks-0 Still, nothing conceptually against the concept of a multi-platform framework that holds water. They don't actually *have* to cater to the lowest common denominator, even thoug

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Sam Reid
A few more cross platform solutions: http://www.madewithmarmalade.com/marmalade http://www.anscamobile.com/corona/ http://www.adobe.com/products/air.html (mentioned again for completeness in this message) Two solutions that use Java to cross compile to Android and iOS (but have very large turnarou

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Robert Casto
I see your point, but for a small developer it is a royal pain. I don't have time and money to develop 2 full applications. I would rather develop 1 application and have it run on both phones. This doubles my time and cost since I have to build and test on 2 platforms. My users don't really care ab

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
They probably don't care at the moment because PhoneGap is marginal, but if they start seeing an increasing number of applications written with PhoneGap that look very similar on Android and iOS, I certainly wouldn't exclude the possibility of them excluding apps written with it. It doesn't have to

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Robert Casto
Agreed. I doubt they would flip flop again on it. On the web framework side, you have Sencha and jQueryMobile. PhoneGap will work with either. With Sencha you get a lot of hand holding and you are back to coding most everything instead of doing markup. I'm doing a mobile app using HTML5, CSS, and

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread phil swenson
I would be stunned if they did that. The reason they changed their mind was all the push-back from developers. 2012/4/9 Cédric Beust ♔ : > I've heard good things about phonegap in general but I would be very nervous > writing my apps with it because Apple could once again change their mind > abo

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread phil swenson
I don't know if it's faster to build 2 or use a framework like PhoneGap. One thing about Android/iOS is there are thriving communities providing support/libraries/tools. PhoneGap is a niche (although I think it's Adobe's future in mobile apps, so maybe it won't stay niche). One things about mobi

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
I've heard good things about phonegap in general but I would be very nervous writing my apps with it because Apple could once again change their mind about accepting applications that were not written natively with XCode. -- Cédric On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Steven Siebert wrote: > Thi

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread phil swenson
I wouldn't want to invest time in learning at dead-end technology. Flash/air/actionscript is on the way to oblivion IMO. Even Adobe seems to know it as they are de-emphasizing flash in favor of HTML5. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Sam Reid wrote: > I recently did some prototyping with Flash/Fl

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Sam Reid
I recently did some prototyping with Flash/Flex/AIR, and it seemed like it worked well when I tested the same codebase on iOS and Android, and I was able to develop and test on all my devices (iOS and Android) from Windows. And it provided a decent emulator for quick turnaround time. Sam On Mon,

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Rakesh
It definitely is not about padding my CV!!! >From the answers, I can see its not easy to choose a path. Keep the suggestions coming though. Rakesh On 9 April 2012 22:07, Robert Casto wrote: > There are more considerations than a resume builder or making sure the > application is a perfect fit

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Robert Casto
There are more considerations than a resume builder or making sure the application is a perfect fit for the platform. Sometimes you need speed to market and want to target both platforms, or you want something that works consistently so you can support it easily and document it for users easily. Th

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread phil swenson
If one of your goals is building your resume, I wouldn't mess with these 3 party frameworks that "wrap" mobile dev. Also, the results aren't as nice and the idioms are different on each platform, so these apps become "least common denominator" apps that look amateurish IMO. Even when you wrap it,

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Cesar Gonzalez
I agree with Steven, Phonegap is a good alternative if your strength is on JavaScript and HTML. You must need to make some adjustments mainly in the display, but using phonegap + one or two javascript framework (jquery mobile, sencha mobile, etc...) would do the trick for u. I use both approaches

Re: [The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Steven Siebert
This might be worth a look http://phonegap.com/ Probably should check out the capabilities and limitations of the framework in regards to both your function and non-functional requirements you listed before going forward with design. S On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Rakesh wrote: > Hi guys,

[The Java Posse] How to start mobile phone development

2012-04-09 Thread Rakesh
Hi guys, I know next to nothing about creating IOS/Android apps except that things change constantly so I wanted to get the group's advice on something I am considering developing soon. The requirements are initially quite modest: 1. Ability to look up ingredients and show related content. 2. Se