[The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-12 Thread Abhishek
Hey Matthew We were in beta for the last six months and in the exit phase currently. We are slowly letting people in for our trial to provide better support. Please sign up here if you are interested. http://www.architexa.com/ Thanks On May 11, 11:30 pm, Matthew Kerle wrote: > do you have a b

[The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-12 Thread Vineet
[Seems like we hit a moderator block somehow... Apologies for the repost. -Vineet] Hey Matthew, We were in beta for the last six months and currently are in exit phase. Architexa Suite is available for trial and we are slowly letting in people in to provide proper support. I would suggest you to

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Matthew Kerle
do you have a beta available for trial? On 12 May 2010 11:05, Vineet wrote: > Exactly, UML tools need to be more useful when you already have code. > I find it a pity that not many people are talking about their needs > for better tools, and as a result we do not get the benefit of having > tool

[The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Vineet
Exactly, UML tools need to be more useful when you already have code. I find it a pity that not many people are talking about their needs for better tools, and as a result we do not get the benefit of having tools meet these needs. Christian, I know you haven't used our tool - but if you are inter

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Robert Casto
The think I like most about tools like this is the ability to visualize what is already there. I won't use it that often to write code, but for understanding the code base, learning how things are organized, and following an execution path; this is what these kinds of tools are good for. On Tue,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
In principle, I agree that taking a design -> code approach is going to work in an agile environment far less conveniently than a code -> design approach. Beyond that I can't say. I haven't used your tool. Personally I do prefer to document as/after the fact, not up-front. Christian. On

[The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Vineet
Christian, Glad you like it. Good point about sales. I am really not worrying too much about that right now. I just want to make sure that people find it useful. As for the different take: we are taking a reverse-engineering based approach as opposed to the more popular design based approaches. A

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
So - nothing against your offering, which seems pretty nice... but it's not a "different take". Generating diagrams from code, reverse/ forward engineering such diagrams, and round-trip stuff has been around since the mid-to-late 90's, and some of it was in decent form at the time, as well.

[The Java Posse] Re: A Different Take on UML

2010-05-11 Thread Vineet
Wasn't Together Control Center acquired by Borland, and what is not part of their core? I talked to some ex-Borland folk, and my understanding is that what got them popular was this reverse engineering engineering support to something useful that they had added. Regardless, here is perhaps the que