Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-05 Thread Mark Derricutt
+1 on The Lamb. Awesome album. REAL Genesis. -- Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things — Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Joseph Ottinger j...@enigmastation.comwrote: Meh, you're talking hipster Genesis. Old school Genesis is The Lamb Lies Down

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-05 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2011-11-05 at 22:37 +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: +1 on The Lamb. Awesome album. REAL Genesis. Not sure about awesome. A truly overworked and devalued adjective. On the other hand Seconds Out is real Genesis. -- Russel.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-05 Thread Russel Winder
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 12:58 -0400, Joseph Ottinger wrote: Meh, you're talking hipster Genesis. Old school Genesis is The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway era. Hipster Genesis is like Hipster Supertramp - you say stuff like Supertramp went downhill when Hodgson switched to guitar and mush like that.

[The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-04 Thread Marco Faustinelli
One of the disadvantage of Balsamiq is the slowness when you have heavy/many mockups opened at once. You're telling me! (The battle of Epping Forest, 1973) :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-04 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Marco Faustinelli marco_faustine...@yahoo.com wrote: (The battle of Epping Forest, 1973) This is probably the last place I would expect to see a reference to old school Genesis :-) -- Cédric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-04 Thread Russel Winder
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 07:42 -0700, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Marco Faustinelli marco_faustine...@yahoo.com wrote: (The battle of Epping Forest, 1973) This is probably the last place I would expect to see a reference to old school Genesis :-) That is not

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-04 Thread Ricky Clarkson
: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ? On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 07:42 -0700, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Marco Faustinelli marco_faustine...@yahoo.com wrote: (The battle of Epping Forest, 1973) This is probably the last place I would expect to see a reference

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 22:57, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:38:00 +0100, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: I know the principle behind GWT. Original but a bit heavy on the compile time. :-) Pity is that we basically ruled-out

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Shaine Ismail
I used balsamic which was pretty good. Adobe have a wireframing tool that integrates with photoshop and dreamweaver. It was announced at the max event last month will dig up the name. Regards Shaine Ismail On Nov 3, 2011 6:55 AM, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
Found Balsamiq - that looks good indeed. Something I can quickly throw a sketch together without drawing every line and shadow. AND works on Linux. ;-) Thanks :-) On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 08:04, Shaine Ismail shain...@gmail.com wrote: I used balsamic which was pretty good. Adobe have a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
If the 64bit Debian package wasn't 32bits really... :-( On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 09:43, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: Found Balsamiq - that looks good indeed. Something I can quickly throw a sketch together without drawing every line and shadow. AND works on Linux. ;-) Thanks

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Shaine Ismail
adobe stopped support of the 64bit version of AIR on Linux a while ago but there are some work arounds if you Google around, the guys at balsamic are pretty good with support and have helped me out a few times. I did try Creately a while ago seemed pretty good, its web based so shouldn't have any

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
I meant the 64bit edition of Balsamiq really. Sorry about that. :-) The debian package architecture is wrong. But it means it can't be installed on a 64bit platform. I hope they'll soon fix this. On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:53, Shaine Ismail shain...@gmail.com wrote: adobe stopped support of the

[The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Marco Faustinelli
Jan, I am afraid that going from discarding Vaadin because of its un- ability to manage 100k points on the server to ending up excited about a sketching tool that produces PDF, JPG or proprietary XML does not testify of a clear decision-making path :-) Let's start from the assumption that there

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:40:08 +0100, Marco Faustinelli marco_faustine...@yahoo.com wrote: Jan, I am afraid that going from discarding Vaadin because of its un- ability to manage 100k points on the server to ending up excited about a sketching tool that produces PDF, JPG or proprietary XML

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-03 Thread Gediminas Siutilas
Balsamiq + Napkee == that all you need for UI drafting alternative: http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx One of the disadvantage of Balsamiq is the slowness when you have heavy/many mockups opened at once. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Marco Faustinelli marco_faustine...@yahoo.com wrote:

[The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-02 Thread Scott Melton
The GWT Designer is a better tool, I think. It is open source under the Apache 2 license. It was derived from Window Builder, built by Instantiations then bought by Google. It has a free stand alone version and an Eclipse plugin that lets you go from graphical design mode to editing text. Both the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-02 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:27:39 +0100, Scott Melton scott.melto...@gmail.com wrote: GWT is a different paradigm, for sure and a bit scary. Program in java, use the AWT and Swing, but it gets, what did you say? COMPILED INTO JAVASCRIPT!!! You've got to be kidding? Well, I'm not. I have used it

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-02 Thread Ricky Clarkson
Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ? The GWT Designer is a better tool, I think. It is open source under the Apache 2 license. It was derived from Window Builder, built by Instantiations then bought by Google. It has a free stand alone version and an Eclipse plugin that lets you go from

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-02 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
I know the principle behind GWT. Original but a bit heavy on the compile time. :-) Pity is that we basically ruled-out Vaadin already because we need extensive charting capabilities ( https://vaadin.com/forum/-/message_boards/view_message/835030). For regular 2D charts there's the Invient addon,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: GUI design tools ?

2011-11-02 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:38:00 +0100, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: I know the principle behind GWT. Original but a bit heavy on the compile time. :-) Pity is that we basically ruled-out Vaadin already because we need extensive charting capabilities (