[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-19 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Good to hear you guys are on the case, James. I wasn't trying to bash JIRA itself, just the (relatively small) part of it that is 'public facing' so to say. There are lots of projects out there that don't have too much control. For example, I'm just looking for a quick way to get somebody else to

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-18 Thread James Dumay
Someone at Atlassian is reading this! :-) On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > > If they WERE using jira, I can imagine that users, being flabbergasted > about how to use jira, just mailed them. I honestly believe that a > good, solid bug tracker that is designed with a

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-18 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Couldn't agree more, Peter. As a rule, laypeople reporting bugs have excellent motivation - they ran into a bug and the best possible thing that could happen to them is for the bug to be fixed right there, on the spot. That's unlikely, but finding a workaround or at least some 'closure', such as

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-18 Thread Peter Becker
I think one of the core features on stackoverflow.com is that they take your second point serious. When you ask a question there, it will list a selection of possible duplicates once you entered the subject line. At first I thought that is too early since there is not much data to compare. In

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-18 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
If they WERE using jira, I can imagine that users, being flabbergasted about how to use jira, just mailed them. I honestly believe that a good, solid bug tracker that is designed with a clueless end-user in mind is a big improvement over any email solution, and will be used properly. Simple thing

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-17 Thread Christian Catchpole
Yeah, I wouldn't do it at work. I'm not suggesting A. And maybe IntelliJs tracker did B anyway. They use JIRA I noticed. Maybe people were just emailing them anyway so they put up the email form. http://www.jetbrains.com/support/support.jsp?pr=IDEA&ask=Bug%20Report On Jul 17, 10:33 pm, Reini

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-17 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Depends on the project, and what would you suggest fixes this? As far as I can tell, you're either suggesting: A) Nothing, let users stew, or let them flood a mailing list or forum or some such, or B) Let users email it to some central repository, where someone has to take action. This is just l

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-16 Thread Christian Catchpole
I sent a bug to intellij the other day with a simple "email form". It turns out the bug was already identified. I guess if it wasn't they could have escalated it to a real bug. Allowing direct public access to a bug system would probably result in lots of duplicates and low quality reports. On

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-16 Thread Joshua Marinacci
> > kenai: > No continues build integration yet (rumor is that it is planned). It was officially announced at JavaOne. I don't think it's live yet, but it's definitely not a rumor. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-16 Thread Radim Kubacki
There are plenty of choices - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities I remember people being OK with http://codehaus.org/ My personal feedback is below. Rather than a rating it is my opinion on what is nice/bad/missing at some of these. On Tue, Jul 14,

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Mohamed Bana
I agree with you --- most trackers are just crammed. Also, as is common, telling someone to file a bug report isn't the way to go as it requires creating an account etc. Most people simply won't do it. I guess Trac could help in this regard, because it's supports creating issues from emails. 20

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Mark Fortner wrote: > It's fairly simple to create a mailto form that captures a minimal > amount of information and generates a JIRA issue. > http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/docs/v3.13/issue_creation_email.html > > I would definitely "put in an issue" with the Atlassian folks though, > i

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Fortner
It's fairly simple to create a mailto form that captures a minimal amount of information and generates a JIRA issue. http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/docs/v3.13/issue_creation_email.html I would definitely "put in an issue" with the Atlassian folks though, if you want them to have a standard

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Ryan Waterer
You'd be surprised at what you can do with a Greasemonkey script. I would prefer if JIRA gave much more options of customization in the program. We use JIRA as our internal issue tracking tool and the end users absolutely hate interfacing with it. It is a constant struggle to get the end users t

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Derricutt
Speaking of bug tracker user interfaces - what do people here think of the direction that Jetbrains new Charisma bug tracker is taking (heavily search/ajax based): http://jetbrains.net/tracker/welcome I really need to put some time aside and install a recent EAP build and give it a good run thro

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Derricutt
Speaking of bug tracker user interfaces - what do people here think of the direction that Jetbrains new Charisma bug tracker is taking (heavily search/ajax based): http://jetbrains.net/tracker/welcome I really need to put some time aside and install a recent EAP build and give it a good run thro

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Unless the JIRA frontpage can be skinned into something without 85,000 links and buttons, JIRA is fundamentally not going to be a good idea if its going to be used by end-users. On Jul 15, 6:28 am, Mark Fortner wrote: > JIRA supports voting and can also be configured to automatically > create is

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Neale
yes - but if you look at something like "user voice" it is designed to get rapid feedback, and perhaps some votes out of people, and not much more. It also is very good at finding an existing issue that matches what you are trying to describe. I guess a "front end" like that to JIRA would be nice

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Fortner
JIRA supports voting and can also be configured to automatically create issues from emails. You would need to check with your provider to find out which features have been enabled. Atlassian also provides a hosted service if you don't want to handle managing the server yourself. Hope this helps

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Yeah, expose helps, but in the end this isn't something like "A Content Management System". If people are going to find this at all, they already know what they are looking for. I did put in some effort to make sure the name is sufficiently unique. Or 'googlable', or whatever the kids are calling

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Michael Neale
Its interesting how people are never really satisfied with bug tracking, despite there being quite a market and competition. I guess cause they are really trying to solve 2 overlapping problems: bugs and issue tracking for project teams with some project management, and on the other side is it a

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Straun
As an open source project surely you must rate exposure to your community as highly desirable? My only observation is that strangely Google code does not get much exposure via Google itself, instead projects on SF get the best exposure. This might be because the page ranking systems rate SF long

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Christian Catchpole
I'm not an expert on all the features, but I was quite enjoying google code. But the problem it seems with these types of hosted services, is that everything is fine... until its not. You can reset your svn repository.. but only for a while. Then you can only go forward. And you can't delete y

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Becker
Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > I'm looking around for online project hosting, and frankly, I'm not > really finding the perfect solution. > [...] > sourceforge: Vague sense of being from the 90s (-), Supports git (++), > no wiki (-), not so nice homegrown issue tracker (-). > Not that I would

[The Java Posse] Re: Online project hosting?

2009-07-14 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:13:54AM -0700, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > I'm looking around for online project hosting, and frankly, I'm not > really finding the perfect solution. > > NB: JIRA gets a double negative because it's utterly useless for Joe > Schmoe who would like to file a bug. You get