[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Casper Bang
> If the courts rule in favour of Oracle, what are the implications for > other companies using Java source code;http://harmony.apache.orgfor > example. If Sun had issues with granting Harmony status as Java, then certainly so does Oracle. Furthermore, as Android uses the Harmony class library, it

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Derek Munneke
Given the topic of the thread, I did not think it was clear... I made it so. I gave a couple of examples and I could think of more things oracle could explain... /derek On 13 Aug 2010 14:27, "Robert Casto" wrote: > This is a thread titled "Oracle - please explain?". > > What else would I be ta

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
Moreover Java has beneficed public contribution over the years. It's morally repulsive to claim - today - the absolute and complete ownership of something like Java and conveniently forget about the public. Even if you do own patents xyz. But then again, some people got away that way already in th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/13/10 10:12 , Tom Meech wrote: > I'm staggered by this move by Oracle. I've always thought that > android complements Java, so that success of Java and Android is a > benefits to Google and Oracle. As a community, we always think of moral benefit

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Meech
I'm staggered by this move by Oracle. I've always thought that android complements Java, so that success of Java and Android is a benefits to Google and Oracle. I'm a little confused about how Oracle can make claim about infringing IP, with the Java code under the GPL license. My limited understan

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Casper Bang
> It will be fun, if google now come up with their own jvm > implementation ;) Ummm they have, it's called Dalvik and it's at the heart of these patent claims! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread jahid
t will be fun, if google now come up with their own jvm implementation ;) On Aug 13, 9:07 am, Casper Bang wrote: > It's almost as if Larry is looking for a way to get his extra expenses > covered, and looks back at what Sun did to Microsoft to get $ 1.6bn. > Though Google had the benefits of hi

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-13 Thread Casper Bang
It's almost as if Larry is looking for a way to get his extra expenses covered, and looks back at what Sun did to Microsoft to get $ 1.6bn. Though Google had the benefits of hindsight and most noticeably did NOT refer to Java anywhere - avoiding the copyright violation aspect. /Casper On Aug 13,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
Amen... Not that I was expecting it, but I'm not exactly surprised either. It Sadly fits with the mindset of my former employer: one-track minded, on the short term money making machines. But honestly, I would have kept the surprise for the keynote @ JavaOne ! :-) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 06:57,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Casto
This is a thread titled "Oracle - please explain?". What else would I be talking about? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Derek Munneke wrote: > So i guess you are talking about the Google law suit > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/35811761/Oracle-s-complaint-against-Google-for-Java-patent-infringem

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Derek Munneke
So i guess you are talking about the Google law suit http://www.scribd.com/doc/35811761/Oracle-s-complaint-against-Google-for-Java-patent-infringement .. which i guess is because now there is money to take up the issues from 2007: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9817048-39.html http://news.cnet.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Casto
Makes me want to distance myself from them totally. Unfortunately, I need to make a living and right now that is developing on Android. Oracle has crossed the line on this one. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Michael Neale wrote: > Oracle pissing all over the java brand and community by doing t

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Michael Neale
Oracle pissing all over the java brand and community by doing this. Killing it as a safe choice in the mind share of developers to build on. What a message "build on java, but watch out for these patents if you get to successful". On Aug 13, 1:21 pm, Derek Munneke wrote: > remind me, what are