[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-07 Thread Casper Bang
> What is the most common practice in Europe?  I am curious, how much does an > iPhone sell for in Scandinavia?  How about an equivalent Android Phone (like > a Nexus S or Galaxy)? According to my county's leading price index: - Samsung i5500 (Galaxy 5) is $206. - Samsung i5700 (Galaxy Spica) is $

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-07 Thread jpf
Debunking some FUDs here On Friday, March 4, 2011 2:35:49 PM UTC+5:30, Karsten Silz wrote: > > This is coming > from a company that knows so much more about you than Big Brother ever > did - all your phone calls, emails, contacts, friends, appointments, > tasks, mobile me does the same thing

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-07 Thread phil swenson
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Casper Bang wrote: >A sweeping statement that's not true. Where I live (Scandinavia) by >law you can only tie a consumer down 6 months, and many phones are >sold entirely "Uden håndjern" (without cuffs). What is the most common practice in Europe? I am curious, ho

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-07 Thread Casper Bang
> 1. Smartphones are (in the U.S. and Europe) sold subsidized by > carriers with multi-year contracts where the carriers pick which phone > models they push through subsidies and promotions. A sweeping statement that's not true. Where I live (Scandinavia) by law you can only tie a consumer down 6

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-06 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 3, 7:06 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > I see no reason for why Android tablets wouldn't be able to compete, > when you look at what happened in the smartphone segment. I can see three reasons: 1. Smartphones are (in the U.S. and Europe) sold subsidized by carriers with multi-year contracts wher

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-06 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 6:43 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > > > I agree that the competition is good for both sides. My point is that > > when Google bought Android, they didn't do that to save the world from > > Apple because they didn't know it was in danger

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
For me apple presentations jumped the shark back when Zynga (borderline criminals and more morally reprehensible than drug dealers) took the stage to present farmville for the iPhone. Their presence on stage along with calling facetime 'revolutionary' (don't get me wrong, its certainly the nice

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > > I agree that the competition is good for both sides. My point is that > when Google bought Android, they didn't do that to save the world from > Apple because they didn't know it was in danger yet, they just wanted > to build a mobile OS. >

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 5:34 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > > This smells like history rewriting to me: Google bought Android in > > 2005, and I doubt they knew about the iPhone then.  With Android, > > Google has been a "fast follower" for the most part, copy

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Adamson
Christian is completely blind. As part of his talk, he demo'ed the Major League Baseball app for iPhone by swiping through the available UI elements (with VoiceOver on, it reads the name of each widget aloud), selecting a news item, and having it read aloud. He then pointed out that MLB did absolu

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 5:37 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > I wonder what kind of accessibility he is referring to, because in terms of > making their OS usable by handicapped people, Mac OS is dead last. They are > constantly being dinged for not offering enough keyboard shortcuts and voice > support. It's never

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Chris Adamson wrote: > I went to a conference session last October by Chris Hofstader (http:// > iphonefall2010.crowdvine.com/speakers/10842), who heads up GNU > accessibility for the FSF. He said that in his opinion, Apple was > "years ahead of everyone else" when

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > This smells like history rewriting to me: Google bought Android in > 2005, and I doubt they knew about the iPhone then. With Android, > Google has been a "fast follower" for the most part, copying the > leading smartphone. > You're contradic

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 10:20 am, Karsten Silz wrote: > And the next Tab is the Galaxy Tab 10.1, with the screen size matching > its name. Gotta love competition: Because of the iPad 2, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be probably both thinner and cheaper, according to Samsung's (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/techsc

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Adamson
On Mar 3, 5:55 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > I think that Android needs a few (I'm saying a few, not a lot of) > high-profile apps in this area that probably aren't the ones that single > developers or small companies can do. I think that Google is doing that, > see some recent job ads. But for co

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Jokl
Press "Send to My TV?" that does not seem Apple stylised enough to me. How about dragging the video with your finger and flicking it in the direction of the TV. The video will stylistically fold up into a paper aeroplane and fly off the edge of the edge of the tablet screen and be seen flying onto

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 3, 7:06 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > I already envision me sitting in my > office in a few years, watching TV on a tablet, being able to pick it > up, walk to my 50" and press "Send to TV". Wasn't that already demonstrated with Google TV and an Android phone last year at Google I/O? iOS 4.2 (

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Adamson
I went to a conference session last October by Chris Hofstader (http:// iphonefall2010.crowdvine.com/speakers/10842), who heads up GNU accessibility for the FSF. He said that in his opinion, Apple was "years ahead of everyone else" when it comes to accessibility. Not sure if I'd attribute it to PR

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Kevin Wright
On 4 March 2011 09:56, Carl Jokl wrote: > Retina display could not be used due to physics i.e. energy > consumption and economics i.e. the number of screens which could be > produced? I don't see how this is relevant! This is a "Magical" device > and since when do "Magical" devices have to care a

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Jokl
Sorry that last post didn't all make sense. Edit out the "and relevant". I wonder how much manna someone has to have in order to experience the full 10 hour battery life an one month standby time. It would also be embarrassing if you ran out of manna in the middle of a iPad based presentation. Bet

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Jokl
Retina display could not be used due to physics i.e. energy consumption and economics i.e. the number of screens which could be produced? I don't see how this is relevant! This is a "Magical" device and since when do "Magical" devices have to care about physics and economics? Granted sometimes they

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 6:02 am, Casper Bang wrote: > As I mentioned earlier, Steve Jobs > directly put words in Samsung CEO's mouth at the iPad2 launch, which > is just distasteful. Yeah, that was stupid. That lady from Samsung (not the CEO) on the earnings call was widely misquoted as saying sales were "qui

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 4, 1:21 am, Augusto Sellhorn wrote: > So because he worked at Microsoft and now is at Google, the conference > is going to be full of such nonsense? At last year's Google I/O, Vic and other Google executives laid heavily into Apple (http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100521/viral-video- googles-

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Casper Bang
> Then you should probably stay away from the next Google I/O.   Right, because Google IO is littered with holy priests rather than smart engineers, and not popular at all! ;) > Those ex- > Microsofties (Vic Gundotra) are vicious - it must be a Microsoft > culture thing.  Hell, they staged a buri

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Augusto Sellhorn
On Mar 3, 6:03 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > > Then you should probably stay away from the next Google I/O.  Those ex- > Microsofties (Vic Gundotra) are vicious - it must be a Microsoft > culture thing.  Hell, they staged a burial of Apple and RIM when they > finished Windows Phone 7 (http://leemn.wo

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 3, 6:25 pm, Carl Jokl wrote: > The one where the Woman > started saying "I define a miracle as being". I felt just a tad > uncomfortable with any piece of electronics being hailed as a miracle > but I may be being oversensitive about it. Of course, stories about the iPad helping autistic c

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 3, 6:49 pm, Carl Jokl wrote: > I can't fault the iPad but the general Apple keynote smugness gets > quite irritating. Then you should probably stay away from the next Google I/O. Those ex- Microsofties (Vic Gundotra) are vicious - it must be a Microsoft culture thing. Hell, they staged a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 03/03/2011 06:49 PM, Carl Jokl wrote: I suppose I can't argue with that. Well, supporting autistic children is great of course, but I don't think it's the thing that makes the market (I could add: unfortunately). But the point about apps is good. While it's not as useful to mankind as the

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Mar 3, 6:25 pm, Carl Jokl wrote: > If the argument was that the iPad could > not support retina display because it would take too much graphics > power to push that many pixels then with a 9x increase in graphics > power could it have coped with higher res? The problem is not the graphics powe

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > I see no reason for why Android tablets wouldn't be able to compete, Agreed. The iPad 2 certainly sets the bar very high, but no higher than when the first iPhone came out. Jobs was using the same smug and disparaging rhetoric when the first

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Casper Bang
The hardware looks awesome, apart from the screen which could do with a bit higher DPI. Would I buy an iPad if I was able to load up Android? Absolutely, but I have no interest in Mac, or iTunes, or Objective-C. I see no reason for why Android tablets wouldn't be able to compete, when you look at

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Carl Jokl
I suppose I can't argue with that. It is interesting that given Apple is is normally known for having the premium more expensive device that Apple at the moment does seems to have the most cost effective tablet for equivalent specs. The competition does genuinely seem to have a hard time beating A

[The Java Posse] Re: iPad 2

2011-03-03 Thread Chris Adamson
Its effectiveness with autistic kids is truly extraordinary. The tools for these kids have previously been expensive and limited -- one hard- core autistic kid in my son's class communicates primarily with an electronic board decked out with a few dozen physical buttons labelled with icons. These d