[The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
My current and ongoing role involves developing web based application for internal corporate use. The majority of applications are one-man end-to-end developments though some may have two or (for the really big stuff) three people involved. The people that I work with are good developers but

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Lloyd Meinholz
I am in a similar situation, maybe a rung or two down the evolutionary ladder. I would consider trying to introduce Jira to manage the projects and hudson and a CI server. Those are two great tools that can help the team (developers and managers). I've also found FindBugs to be helpful in keeping

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Jo Voordeckers
I've been through a few of these sanitizing processes at the different customers. The key to success is to go slow, introduce each component step by step, let the people learn to appreciate each of the changes, one at a time. It could take years to get where you want to be, but it's worth it! My

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Viktor Klang
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jo Voordeckers jo.voordeck...@gmail.comwrote: I've been through a few of these sanitizing processes at the different customers. The key to success is to go slow, introduce each component step by step, let the people learn to appreciate each of the changes, one

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Kevin Wright
On 23 April 2010 20:12, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jo Voordeckers jo.voordeck...@gmail.comwrote: I've been through a few of these sanitizing processes at the different customers. The key to success is to go slow, introduce each component

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread twitter.com/nfma
I also agree that SCM is the smallest of their problems... The only problem I see with CVS is the non-atomic commits that sometimes make everyone waste a lot of time cleaning up when, for instance, something goes wrong with the network during the commit... It's good to go slow and do one thing at

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Jo Voordeckers
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: Why SVN? There's like a biillion other SCMs other there that are better. True, but that's the least of their problems! That's exactly what I was thinking, switching from CVS to SVN in Eclipse is

Re: [The Java Posse] The 'Thoroughly Modern' Development Environment From Hell

2010-04-23 Thread Peter Becker
From a personal perspective the first thing I'd fix is replacing XP with Ubuntu -- the lack of responsiveness and decent CLI tools tends to drive me crazy (no, Cygwin is not a proper UNIX environment). But let's think more practical. Number one I would sell is the move from CVS to SVN. CVS is