No, checkstyle can check against tabs as you do but not the other way
around.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM, B Smith-Mannschott wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 03:03, Paul King wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps I'll have to look into it further. What tools do you use to
> > automatically check that someon
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 03:03, Paul King wrote:
>
> Perhaps I'll have to look into it further. What tools do you use to
> automatically check that someone hasn't mixed indent styles?
> Cheers, Paul.
We use checkstyle (via the eclipse plugin) to verify that there are no
tabs in our sources. Presuma
Perhaps I'll have to look into it further. What tools do you use to
automatically check that someone hasn't mixed indent styles?
Cheers, Paul.
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> In regards to the 'you can't mix and match' rule 3: Actually, The One
> True Indent style *
I use jVi and love it! I've tried the vi plugins for all the major
IDEs and think jVi is the best of them.
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Tor Norbye wrote:
> jVi for NetBeans isn't just a keyboard profile; given vi's modes etc I
> don't think it's possible to accurately support it via keybinding
Fantastic, I'll definitely play with that next time I get a chance.
Thanks again.
Tangentially, I think the whole "IDE vs vim/emacs" debate should be
moot. It shouldn't be either/or, we should have both; use the IDEs for
all of the integration features they excel at, while using a more
sophisticat
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Tor Norbye wrote:
> Have you tried jvi (a vi plugin for NetBeans) ? I don't use it
> personally but I've seen people state that it works and that it works
> well (e.g. http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2010/06/ides-netbeans.html )
>
> There's a version available for 6.9
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Tor Norbye wrote:
> This is 2010; people don't
> write code on tiny terminals anymore but solid IDEs on decent screens.
I'd just like to point out there still is a niche use case similar to
the "tiny screen" use case. It has no bearing on the tabs vs. spaces
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To: javaposse@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 10:16:20 AM
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Tab / Spaces anyone?
Tabs are evil, period
On 1 July 2010 15:16, Weiqi Gao wrote:
> Tabs are evil, period.
>
> Using tabs in source files means that every editor, viewer, pretty printer
> that is used to process them needs to agree on where the tab stops are.
> This is harder to achieve as the program reaches more people.
>
>
[ed: almost
Tabs are evil, period.
Using tabs in source files means that every editor, viewer, pretty
printer that is used to process them needs to agree on where the tab
stops are. This is harder to achieve as the program reaches more people.
That we are having a Tabs vs. Spaces debate is a consequence
IntelliJ is even worse!
Try clicking in a bit of whitespace, or cursoring down from the end of a
long line
The caret just hangs there, expectantly, looking like it's about to fall,
instead of snapping to the end of the last valid character on that line.
(yes, I know it's configurable, but it's not
guys, can I recommend you start using a real IDE like Intellij?
In the last 5 years of Java development, the use of spaces or tabs has
never come up.
I really don't get this thread.
Rakesh
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Wright wrote:
> It's basic ecology...
> Tabs take up fewer characte
The other minor advantage sometimes noted for leading tabs is lazy
cursor navigation. I don't really find that convincing, either, since
a) I'm never surfing around in the whitespace before the actual
content, and b) any editor worth using will allow you to skip any
amount of whitespace with one ke
It's basic ecology...
Tabs take up fewer characters than multiple spaces
fewer chars = smaller files = faster checkins, etc.
I wonder what the carbon footprint is of manufacturing all the HDD used
globally to store superfluous spaces?
On 1 July 2010 16:20, Tor Norbye wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:48
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Viktor Klang wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Mark Volkmann > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised that all the replies to this thread are in favor of tabs
>>> over spaces. In my experience, the vast ma
The real issue is that many developers can't handle always using tabs
for indenting and always using spaces for spacing -- it's too much for
them, in part because the difference is invisible and thus mistakes only
become obvious to those with different tab stop settings.
All it takes is a few
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Viktor Klang wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Mark Volkmann
> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised that all the replies to this thread are in favor of tabs
>> over spaces. In my experience, the vast majority of developers favor
>> spaces. For me there is one main re
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Mark Volkmann wrote:
> I'm surprised that all the replies to this thread are in favor of tabs
> over spaces. In my experience, the vast majority of developers favor
> spaces. For me there is one main reason I prefer spaces ... printers.
> Sometimes I print code. Pr
I tend to be in the 'tabs are evil camp' most of the time. Not that they are
evil but there are some missing rules in Reinier's list. Rule 3: If you use
tabs you must use them everywhere - you can't mix and match and everyone
else must too. Rule 4: Every tool in your toolset including all future on
With the old style tractor-fed printers (dot matrix, or whatever) I would
agree with you, but I think such things are now firmly in the past for most
developers.
It ain't about the rise of cheap laser printing either, just think of all
the changes that have conspired to make printing less necessar
I'm surprised that all the replies to this thread are in favor of tabs
over spaces. In my experience, the vast majority of developers favor
spaces. For me there is one main reason I prefer spaces ... printers.
Sometimes I print code. Printers seem to always use eight spaces for
tabs which causes ma
You mean like Fortress?Admittedly, it only uses them in the
rendered version of your source code tho.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Eric Jablow wrote:
> And then we should use ≤ instead of <=, ≠ instead of !=, and x ∋ s
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Kevin Wright wrote:
> The two biggest problems? Typing the chars (though autocomplete helps) and
> finding fonts that actually have the chars :)
It's incredible how a font can be lacking in a *whitespace character*.
-Dom
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And then there's Fortress, of course:
http://projectfortress.sun.com/Projects/Community/wiki/FortressByExample
Also a JVM language :)
On 29 June 2010 23:07, Kevin Wright wrote:
> Java source files already are (or can be) UTF-8
>
> Scala takes this further, and has actually started using Unicod
Java source files already are (or can be) UTF-8
Scala takes this further, and has actually started using Unicode operators:
http://scala-programming-language.1934581.n4.nabble.com/More-unicode-alternatives-for-ASCII-operators-td2008146.html
Scalaz takes this to something of an extreme:
(warning:
Don't Apple have a patent on Spabs?
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Christian Catchpole <
christ...@catchpole.net> wrote:
> Or you could go into your editor settings and set: Treat Spabs as
> Taces
>
> Spabs vs Taces begins.
>
> On Jun 30, 6:56 am, Viktor Klang wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 a
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Robert Casto wrote:
> Seriously, why do we have to use ASCII text files anyway?
>
You're right. Why do we have to use ASCII? This is the 21st century — we
can use UTF-8! Now, instead of space vs tab, you can debate: space vs tab
vs en space vs em space vs zero
I guess I made the mistake of being serious. When you get an upgrade on the
Tace though, let me know. I'm not going to mess up my files until I see how
it has had some play time in the real world. :)
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Viktor Klang wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Chri
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Christian Catchpole <
christ...@catchpole.net> wrote:
> Why don't we just create a special character called a Spab. Which has
> qualities of both. Made from unicorn farts of course :)
>
Seriously?
Who uses the Spab? It's aligning things totally messed up.
Everyon
I know its a pain, but so is having to deal with spaces and tabs. How about
telling the editor to convert tabs to spaces when entering text? Better than
leaving tabs in there.
Robert
On Jun 29, 2010 12:52 PM, "B Smith-Mannschott"
wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 17:08, Robert Casto wrote:
> Can
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 17:08, Robert Casto wrote:
> Can't we just move on from simple text files and use something better to
> hold our source code? Why always such an unwieldy medium? Seriously, why do
> we have to use ASCII text files anyway? Couldn't we put something in place
> that would get
Can't we just move on from simple text files and use something better to
hold our source code? Why always such an unwieldy medium? Seriously, why do
we have to use ASCII text files anyway? Couldn't we put something in place
that would get rid of the parts we don't want the compiler to see? A
pre-pr
Reinier's Rules (ha!) are the best argument I've seen for tab characters
infiltrating source files, but when the bits hit the disk I agree with Ben.
For collaborative work, it's often tough enough to get people to indent
logically and consistently with just *one* type of whitespace character.
-Lyl
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 14:41, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> I don't understand the tabs v. spaces war. There's clearly a right
> answer:
>
> Tabs for indents. Spaces for spacing.
>
> Rule #1: A tab character can never occur in any source file, unless
> the previous character is (A) a tab, (B) the
Reinier, you forgot to mention that "empty lines" should also contain tabs for
the right indentation level.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: reini...@gmail.com [mailto:javapo...@googlegroups.com] Namens Reinier
Zwitserloot
Verzonden: dinsdag 29 juni 2010 14:41
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 14:41, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> I don't understand the tabs v. spaces war. There's clearly a right
> answer:
> Tabs for indents. Spaces for spacing.
I fully agree with you and I just wanted to copy your rules to a text
file for later reference when I am in discussion w
+1
Clearly put, and hard to argue with :)
On 29 June 2010 13:41, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> I don't understand the tabs v. spaces war. There's clearly a right
> answer:
>
> Tabs for indents. Spaces for spacing.
>
> Rule #1: A tab character can never occur in any source file, unless
> the pre
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