RE: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
|Do you have any idea how to find out? I can't find any publicly available |info. I did notice a very large number of "no" votes on it, all of which |said "this is too vague and preliminary. Do some more research" oh no yet another JSR that will end up ripping JBoss and claiming official status.

Re: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.02.26 15:17:00 -0500 marc fleury wrote: > |This is unclear though, are you saying "what should the service > controller > |do on a change?" > |if that is the question then the values should be > | > |state-action-on-update {KEEP-RUNNING| RE-START | RE-INSTANCIATE} > > hey supposedly JSR

Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread David Jencks
The model mbean descriptors can include information per-attribute about what level of service shutdown is necessary. No need to bother the service itself. See some later messages. david jencks On 2002.02.26 18:40:24 -0500 Jason Dillon wrote: > Again, why not use a notification here? If an att

Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread Andreas Schaefer
> To: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration > Again, why not use a notification here? If an attrib is exposed, then > we have to poll. If the service s

Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread Jason Dillon
Again, why not use a notification here? If an attrib is exposed, then we have to poll. If the service sends a note, then we just sit until we get one... Or am I missing the point? --jason marc fleury wrote: >|If we used ModelMBeans, the Attribute's desriptor >|could include a field "runti

RE: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
|This is unclear though, are you saying "what should the service controller |do on a change?" |if that is the question then the values should be | |state-action-on-update {KEEP-RUNNING| RE-START | RE-INSTANCIATE} hey supposedly JSR 111 deals with this? does it? the HP guys have been talking abou

RE: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
David, bringing you to the training was the best thing ever, since then you have become quite the man ... |Right now I'm working on xdoclet tags >> xmbean xml (I want to get this in |xdoclet 1.1.2, this weekend) and xmbean modifications to go with improved |xmbean dtd. Then we can start conve

Re: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.02.26 13:38:37 -0500 marc fleury wrote: > 3 of 4 imho > > |Yes. Also there is the choice of > |-change attribute value while mbean is "started" > > yes > > |-stop, change attribute value, start > > yes > > |-stop, destroy, create(with new values), start > > no (use below) I agree,

RE: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
3 of 4 imho |Yes. Also there is the choice of |-change attribute value while mbean is "started" yes |-stop, change attribute value, start yes |-stop, destroy, create(with new values), start no (use below) |-stop, destroy, remove, install, create(with new valuew), start yes |These could a

RE: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
|If we used ModelMBeans, the Attribute's desriptor |could include a field "runtimeConfigurable". |The service deployer can then determine if a redeploy |is required. ohhh so pretty we will use modelMBeans very soon, if we could get you get to put something out marcf __

Re: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.02.26 08:57:05 -0500 Adrian Brock wrote: > If we used ModelMBeans, the Attribute's desriptor > could include a field "runtimeConfigurable". > The service deployer can then determine if a redeploy > is required. > > Regards, > Adrian Yes. Also there is the choice of -change attribute val

Re: RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread Adrian Brock
If we used ModelMBeans, the Attribute's desriptor could include a field "runtimeConfigurable". The service deployer can then determine if a redeploy is required. Regards, Adrian > |Why not make more usage of notifications here. Such > that jetty could > |send a notificatioin when it needs to be

RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
|Why not make more usage of notifications here. Such that jetty could |send a notificatioin when it needs to be redeployed due to config |change. It may know best for some/most config changes. correct, jetty knows best what requires a restart and what does not, all this handling should be done

Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread Jason Dillon
>|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason >|Dillon >|Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:41 AM >|To: marc fleury >|Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net >|Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration >| >| >|Does this mean that we will always have seperate .xml?

RE: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread marc fleury
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:41 AM |To: marc fleury |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration | | |Does this mean that we will

Re: [JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-26 Thread Jason Dillon
Does this mean that we will always have seperate .xml? Packaged is nice for classes and file systems, but when the config is inside too, then it is a pain to configure. Take jetty-plugin.sar. If a user wants to change ports or add/remove listeners then need to unjar/edit/rejar... kinda pain

[JBoss-dev] notes on configuration

2002-02-25 Thread marc fleury
There is a fundamental weakness we carry in our design since 2.0 days the jboss.jcml/service.xml files we mix in SAR/jcml existence of the bean configuration of the bean classes for the bean If we change the configuration of the service we are requiring that we restart the service. Only changes