[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Request: Step by Step build it yourself tutorial

2007-05-09 Thread fperedo
Hi! I agree that configuration is boring (that is one of the reasons I think Seam could be more productive than Spring), but after years of development, I feel uneasy to use a technology if I don't feel that I can go somewhere and read a good map of how to deal with the configuration stuff

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Request: Step by Step build it yourself tutorial

2007-05-09 Thread fperedo
But I agree, a newbie perspective could be a good idea for this... maybe I should write that tutorial... I just hope some experts from here really review it, because its gonna have a lot of bugs, and misunderstandings (I am just a newbie on Seam, trying to write a tutorial...) View the

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Request: Split the Ant files of Seam Examples

2007-05-08 Thread fperedo
Hi! I just want to request one thing: Split the Ant files of the Seam Examples (It is hard to understand how a Seam project is built... but it is even harder if you also have to understand the huge ant file that is needed to build all the examples) I think that having independant ant files for

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Request: Step by Step build it yourself tutorial

2007-05-08 Thread fperedo
Hi! I don't mean to compare Seam with Spring (I like Spring, but I think that Seam's bijection is just superior) But I would like to see a tutorial like this for Seam: Spring MVC step by step Why do I love that tutorial?: | It starts with a very very simple page | Then it adds a very simple

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Request: Split the Ant files of Seam Examples

2007-05-08 Thread fperedo
Yes, but the thing is, that if I get errors after that, I cant be sure if I configured something wrong... but with the examples, I a can be sure that they must work... no? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4043995#4043995 Reply to the post :

[jboss-user] [Installation, Configuration Deployment] - Weird: Different deployed apps in each windows account, Can'

2007-05-04 Thread fperedo
Hi! I know this migth be a newbie question but: Why when I run JBoss on the Administrator account there are no deployed applications... but when I run it on my user account (Fperedo) then, there are deployed applications I am learning JBoss, and I made lots of experiments... after that, I

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-04 Thread fperedo
Yes... I can see what you mean... but... then... how can we really learn what can, and can't be done in Seam on each level? I mean... errors are going to happen... and I have always loved tutorials with a troubleshooting are that says if you are seeing error, is because you are trying to

[jboss-user] [Installation, Configuration Deployment] - Re: Weird: Different deployed apps in each windows account,

2007-05-04 Thread fperedo
Yes, exactly, I am running Vista... I am going to use google to find out about that Program Files protection... Thanks a lot! View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4043276#4043276 Reply to the post :

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-04 Thread fperedo
I agree... Seam is simplest to use in an EE5 container... perhpas my problem is that I am used to other frameworks on which you learn the other way around: 1) How to do it without EE5 2) How to do it with EE5 I guess all this comes from the fact that I would love to use Seam over OC4J... but

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: While Seam is great, is any weakness of this framework?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
For me the main weaknesses are: -It is (IMHO) hard to use it without JBoss (just try OC4J for example) -The limit of what can be done with seam using a fully compliant J2EE5, and what can't be done are not clear (clear limitations, clear drawbacks) -Using seam without using seam-gen, is hard, and

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
Hi! I mean, I love having a tool that generates everything... but it seems to me that has made the documentation a lot poorer: Its so easy to start building an applications, so why bother with an step by step guide, from only POJOs and Tomcat to J2EE with JBoss to J2EE with any container you

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: While Seam is great, is any weakness of this framework?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
Hi! Thanks for answering so fast... Maybe it is just me.. but I feel that lines between cant be done without J2EE5 and can't be done without the microcontainer and can be done with just tomcat are blurry... perhaps if the documentation included some kind of feature matrix comparing the

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
I tried creating a without J2EE5 application directly based in the register application... but... just failed... and couldn't find any posts (with answers) of problems similar to the ones I had... I also didn't like the fact that all examples share the same huge ant file (makes it hard to

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: While Seam is great, is any weakness of this framework?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
Hi! I will have to integrate part of my projects with Flex, so I have to use eclipse (Flex is an eclipse plugin) if it werent for that, I would prefer to use Netbeans IDE (for me Eclipse is not an IDE, it is... only a DE, plug ins are just not integrated enough, but I will have to use it,

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
Hi! well a transient POJOs to persistent POJOs to J2EE5 tutorial would be: -First, transient POJOs: show me what can be done in SEAM without JPA or Hibernate. (a really simple in memory POJOs example with 1 page first, and then 2 or three) ¿this part needs the microcontainer? -Second,

[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: Is seam-gen really a good idea to learn about seam?

2007-05-03 Thread fperedo
Perhaps, between each of the 3 steps of the tutorial, to show, the difference between more or less integration with J2EE, the tutorial should try to use SEAM wrong (trying to do something that can only be done with SEAM tutorial level 3, in tutorial level 1, and showing how to do it right)