Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Matthew A. Miller
The more I read this thread, the more I agree with both sides... Is there middle ground to be had? What if XMPP were defined in such a way that if a connection/session attempted to auth as an already online one, it was up to the server. If the server decided it was allowed, it sent the appropria

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Wes Morgan
I forgot to mention why I needed this behavior in the first place... I implemented a custom web-based chat system for a client that uses jabberd as its backend. However, one of the requirements for the system was that users could only log on once, and that if they tried to log on a second time,

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
Ah well there you go then, I was just getting at the fact that there is a way for clients to tell and that they must be fixed to only auto-reconnect on network problems. On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:02 am, David Waite wrote: Both the open-source jabber.org and the commercial jabber.c

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread David Waite
Both the open-source jabber.org and the commercial jabber.com implementations send a stream:error before replacing the current session with a new one. Exodus is an example of a client which does not reconnect in this case. -David Waite Richard Dobson wrote: Exactly but the thing is that they

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
But as ive just said in my previous email I dont think it actually gets a stream error, and IMO clients should only auto-reconnect in the case of a network problem, and as ive said in my previous email that means it wouldn't have received a which it would have got when the server initiates a d

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
Exactly but the thing is that they dont get a stream error, at the moment the server ends the session with a and drops the socket, and because that sequence of events means the server is terminating the connection, which i think will only happen at the moment because of another session connect

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread scott
> David Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 22:12:25: > > > >IMHO, this is a bug in those clients. If the server says it is > >disconnecting you (via a stream:error), you should not immediately > >reconnect. > Most would wait a few seconds I imagine.. but lot's of clients do this. >

Re:Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Tijl Houtbeckers
David Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 22:12:25: > >IMHO, this is a bug in those clients. If the server says it is >disconnecting you (via a stream:error), you should not immediately >reconnect. Most would wait a few seconds I imagine.. but lot's of clients do this. And because it's

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread David Waite
IMHO, this is a bug in those clients. If the server says it is disconnecting you (via a stream:error), you should not immediately reconnect. -David Waite Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: "Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 13:31:12: Yea sure I wasnt arguing against the "option",

Re: [JDEV] BSD-licensed jabber lib?

2003-02-25 Thread Thomas Muldowney
Are the LGPL and JOSL not good enough? Many libs out there, such as JabberOO, are under a license like that. --temas On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:28:30PM -0500, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote: > > Pardon me if this is a FAQ, I'm new to this list. > > I'm curious if there are any BSD-like lic

[JDEV] Interesting reading...Balance of power to shift in IM realm

2003-02-25 Thread Trent Melcher
Though this was interesting "Balance of power to shift in IM realm " http://msnbc-cnet.com.com/2100-1023-985919.html?type=pt&part=msnbc&tag=alert &form=feed&subj=cnetnews Trent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leo Ostwald Sent: Tuesday, Febru

[JDEV] BSD-licensed jabber lib?

2003-02-25 Thread Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy
Pardon me if this is a FAQ, I'm new to this list. I'm curious if there are any BSD-like licensed (i.e. suitable for closed-source commercial applications) jabber client libraries out there in C or C++? Thanks! ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] h

Re: Re:Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
- Original Message - From: "Tijl Houtbeckers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re:Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch > "Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 15:30:10: > >> Then again, not using this patch has it's own p

Re:Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Tijl Houtbeckers
"Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 15:30:10: >> Then again, not using this patch has it's own problems when two >> clients with auto-reconnect start to "fight" over the same >> connection. >> So this patch is definatly usefull for those who want to avoid this >> type of

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
> >> Then again, not using this patch has it's own problems when two clients > >> with auto-reconnect start to "fight" over the same connection. So this > >> patch is definatly usefull for those who want to avoid this type of > >> behaviour. > > I am not sure which I prefer, but I think there shoul

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
> "Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 13:31:12: > > > >Yea sure I wasnt arguing against the "option", but it shouldnt be > >standard behaviour and must be documented that it can cause > >issues/problems, so the admin can make an informed choice of which > >behaviour they want. >

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread maqi
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Ralph Meijer wrote: >> Then again, not using this patch has it's own problems when two clients >> with auto-reconnect start to "fight" over the same connection. So this >> patch is definatly usefull for those who want to avoid this type of >> behaviour. > I am not sure which I

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Ralph Meijer
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 01:51:28PM +0100, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: > "Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 13:31:12: > > > >Yea sure I wasnt arguing against the "option", but it shouldnt be > >standard behaviour and must be documented that it can cause > >issues/problems, so the

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Tijl Houtbeckers
"Richard Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25-2-2003 13:31:12: > >Yea sure I wasnt arguing against the "option", but it shouldnt be >standard behaviour and must be documented that it can cause >issues/problems, so the admin can make an informed choice of which >behaviour they want. > Then a

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
Yea sure I wasnt arguing against the "option", but it shouldnt be standard behaviour and must be documented that it can cause issues/problems, so the admin can make an informed choice of which behaviour they want. Richard - Original Message - From: "David 'TheRaven' Chisnall" <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread David 'TheRaven' Chisnall
I can see that this would cause problems in the case that a client died in such a way that the socket stayed open (not entirely uncimmon on X11). In this case the user would be unable to reconnect without changing resource name, while at the moment they could just kick their old connection off

Re: [JDEV] jabberd patch

2003-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
But remember as already noted doing it around that way introduces problems for the end user especially the novice user. - Original Message - From: "Wes Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: [JDEV] jabberd patch > Attached is