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In the offline case, wouldn't it be the same method except the server
responds to you? (and indicates the user is offline)?
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The way MSN does it is much lighter weight in general (but provides less
functionality). Basically if an ack isn't received within a timeout, the
client is in charge of alerti
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The way MSN does it is much lighter weight in general (but provides less
functionality). Basically if an ack isn't received within a timeout, the
client is in charge of alerting the user t
Title: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
My observation is that the server does store messages when the receiver is off-line, but at this time no feedback is given to the sender. The event (described in events.html) could be sent by the server in such a case, allowing the sending client to give
*may* not
have been received). It may be doing a retry under the covers
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So let me get this straight,
I send a message, i
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Correct and yes.
Offline messages are supported in the current server, to my knowledge. I don't know all the gory details though :)
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http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html
http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html
Although not spec yet, we have discussed this issue before, and events
have some functionality tailored to that idea.
--temas
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Maybe I'm speaking out of turn here, but doesn't MSN Messenger alre
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Maybe I'm speaking out of turn here, but doesn't MSN Messenger already do
this (message ack)?
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http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html
http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html
Although n
Title: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
But what if the client never gets the message? That's the whole problem here. The server needs to know whether the client got the message or not, not the other way around.
Travis
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of that message.
Travis
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At 11:34 Uhr -0600 02.05.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I think there should be some response from the client back to
ws to process differently.. no
> server mod necessary...
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> I couldn't imagine
At 11:34 Uhr -0600 02.05.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I think there should be some response from the client back to the
>server letting it know that it has received the message and can then
>delete. If no response is returned, then it will retry, or wait
>until another presence from the cli
Title: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
Couldn't someone relatively easily build this into a client? You could sent "message receipt" messages with the ID of the message sent to you and the client could take care of keeping track of it. Just send a message with an namespace t
lines anyway. It's impossible to get to trust something
>like this unless you know without a doubt that you are not going to miss any messages.
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> Travis
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Title: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
I couldn't imagine using a messenger in a business environment that didn't get all the messages through to me. That would go straight into the trash can if I wasn't sure I was going to get a message or not. I'm pretty sure that when us
Title: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
I don't know that everyone needs _guarenteed_ messaging (although I'm sure everyone would like it). That does add overhead and client/server complexity. I've looked into things such as SonicMQ, MQseries and JMS in general and a Jabber server/c
> Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm
> using jim mostly)? Or is it just that it's mostly from icq users?
Back when I used "real" ICQ, a lot of messages were
lost, too. I would blame the ICQ gateway on lost
messages. It's pretty unlikely that it's the actual
Jabber ser
What's the whole setup?
As for messaging as you describe it, this is being discussed in JAM.
--temas
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> My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be guaranteed to receive a
>message. Now most of my list is icq buddies, but I mi
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> My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be guaranteed to receive a
>message. Now most of my list is icq buddies, but I miss a lot of messages. I tell
>people to email me if they want
> to make sure I get i
> My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be guaranteed to receive a
>message. Now most of my list is icq buddies, but I miss a lot of messages. I tell
>people to email me if they want
> to make sure I get it.
>
> Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm using j
My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be guaranteed to receive a
message. Now most of my list is icq buddies, but I miss a lot of messages. I tell
people to email me if they want to make sure I get it.
Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm using jim mostly
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