Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-07 Thread Scott Ludwig
Of particular interest at the moment is how we should discover your STUN TURN servers. Does the client have the servers hardcoded, or does it get them sent to it during the web authentication? Would you consider adding SRV records in the SIP style of _stun._udp.gmail.com etc for making at least

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Ludwig wrote: Of particular interest at the moment is how we should discover your STUN TURN servers. Does the client have the servers hardcoded, or does it get them sent to it during the web authentication? Would you consider adding SRV

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Robert McQueen
Gary Burd wrote: As long as GT doesn't change the allowable email addresses, you're safe. You are not safe. Google is regulary adding new domains to Google Talk as part of the Gmail for Domains beta test. See https://www.google.com/hosted/Home for more info. Right, I always knew that

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Gary Burd
On 4/6/06, Robert McQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if we're not doing google:roster, then there are other places where we need to know if the server has extra features (google:relay auth token, off the record, mail notifications...) Google does not encourage the use of these private

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Gary Burd
On 4/6/06, Gary Burd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let us know which of the extensions you would like to see documented and supported in a formal way. Oops, forget to mention this. There is work in progress to document the off the record extension as a JEP.

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Burd wrote: On 4/6/06, Gary Burd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let us know which of the extensions you would like to see documented and supported in a formal way. Oops, forget to mention this. There is work in progress to document the

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Robert McQueen
Gary Burd wrote: Please let us know which of the extensions you would like to see documented and supported in a formal way. Of particular interest at the moment is how we should discover your STUN TURN servers. Does the client have the servers hardcoded, or does it get them sent to it during

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert McQueen wrote: Gary Burd wrote: Please let us know which of the extensions you would like to see documented and supported in a formal way. Of particular interest at the moment is how we should discover your STUN TURN servers. Does the

[jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Remko Troncon
On 04 Apr 2006, at 21:50, Robert McQueen wrote: can anyone think of a better way to discover support for their extension? Different things come to mind: - Clients shouldn't really encourage non-standard behaviour, so i would personally not support this myself. - If you really want to

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Trejkaz
Remko Troncon wrote: - If you really want to support Google Talk, you can get away with a regexp match on the JID, and enable all these non-standard extensions. No other server is using these anyway. As long as GT doesn't change the allowable email addresses, you're safe. I wonder how long

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Robert McQueen
Remko Troncon wrote: Different things come to mind: - Clients shouldn't really encourage non-standard behaviour, so i would personally not support this myself. With my idealist hat on, yes, I agree - I hate the fact that I'm even considering this. But for this particular project I'm working

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Trejkaz
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 18:24, Robert McQueen wrote: In my client, I don't want to present a server-side Block List to the user unless I know that I can actually block. If I've disco'd and found iq:privacy, and implement it, I can offer this, but I'm not sure what to do on Google. Well,

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trejkaz wrote: Remko Troncon wrote: - If you really want to support Google Talk, you can get away with a regexp match on the JID, and enable all these non-standard extensions. No other server is using these anyway. As long as GT doesn't change

[jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Remko Troncon
On 05 Apr 2006, at 10:48, Trejkaz wrote: I'd say it would be a better use of time to petition Google to implement these things properly, than to implement them as sticky tape and then find out the tape falls off when it's fixed properly. It's true as long as there *is* a proper way to

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Remko Troncon wrote: we should make simple iq-based protocol for blocking and going invisible, as a server-side profile of privacy lists. Yes, that's probably a good idea. Could be done with JEP-0050 I guess. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre Jabber

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Gary Burd
As long as GT doesn't change the allowable email addresses, you're safe. You are not safe. Google is regulary adding new domains to Google Talk as part of the Gmail for Domains beta test. See https://www.google.com/hosted/Home for more info. apart from GT not advertizing its extension in

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Trejkaz
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:11, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Remko Troncon wrote: we should make simple iq-based protocol for blocking and going invisible, as a server-side profile of privacy lists. Yes, that's probably a good idea. Could be done with JEP-0050 I guess. Would it be possible to

Re: [jdev] Re: discovering extensions without disco

2006-04-05 Thread Trejkaz
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: What is the point of hardcoding visible-to-from rule? AFAICS, that is no different from the visible rule (since you send presence only to people who have subscribed to you). But perhaps I'm missing something. :-) This is true. I had only thrown that in as an example.