Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-27 Thread Alexander Gnauck
Jefferson Ogata schrieb: Interesting. So you're saying the server looks at the @to attribute in and chooses a certificate based on that value? yes, some servers also present the certificate of the hostname from the srv records. AFAIK Google is doing this. Can you name two? I would be inter

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2008-02-26 00:00, Alexander Gnauck wrote: Jefferson Ogata schrieb: How, exactly, do you know? I.e. what specific prenegotiation informs the XMPP server which domain certificate to use? Traditional STARTTLS (e.g. in ESMTP and LDAP), AFAIK, has no such provision; this would have to be an XMPP

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2008-02-26 00:55, Dave Cridland wrote: I usually hate receiving responses like this one, but they're nonetheless true: The great StartTLS vs special-socket debate was over something like 10 years ago - possibly more, actually. Even in protocols which don't offer the server id negotiation p

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Dave Cridland
I usually hate receiving responses like this one, but they're nonetheless true: The great StartTLS vs special-socket debate was over something like 10 years ago - possibly more, actually. Even in protocols which don't offer the server id negotiation prior to TLS, as in XMPP, there are oth

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Alexander Gnauck
Jefferson Ogata schrieb: How, exactly, do you know? I.e. what specific prenegotiation informs the XMPP server which domain certificate to use? Traditional STARTTLS (e.g. in ESMTP and LDAP), AFAIK, has no such provision; this would have to be an XMPP-specific augmentation. from the stream head

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2008-02-25 15:50, Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 2008-02-25, Pn o godzinie 15:13 +, Jefferson Ogata pisze: That reminds me: I've been wondering why Jabber folks have been encouraging STARTTLS? In general, STARTTLS has the flaw of allowing misconfigured clients (of any protocol) to transmit cr

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 2008-02-25, Pn o godzinie 15:13 +, Jefferson Ogata pisze: > That reminds me: I've been wondering why Jabber folks have been > encouraging STARTTLS? In general, STARTTLS has the flaw of allowing > misconfigured clients (of any protocol) to transmit credentials in > the > clear; people wh

Re: [jdev] Why STARTTLS? [was: IMPORTANT www.jabber.org software listings]

2008-02-25 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2008-02-25 00:16, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Tomasz Sterna wrote: Why do you require services to be listed on the public im services list, to run an SSL-only port for client connections? Because we want to do this: openssl s_client -connect example.com:5223 -CAfile ca.crt AFAIK there is