Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-23 Thread Joe Hildebrand
For mail notification, you might try message type='headline'/ to avoid offline storage. On Apr 20, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Bruce Campbell wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Robin Redeker wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:22:33PM +, Nathan Fritz wrote: I don't see this as being the client's job.

RE: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread JD Conley
How should my Jabber _client_ get the latest news about the remote JID? Ghosted users is an interesting (and common) issue that we've been discussing a lot in the Standards list recently. Ideally the server handles this for you. But, as you mention, remote servers going offline aren't always

Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread Robin Redeker
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 04:38:02AM +1000, Bruce Campbell wrote: This more of a 'what are people doing now' question, not a 'what should the implementations be doing'. Lets say that my Jabber client has an avid desire to know the accurate online status of remote JIDs, and the roster

Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread Nathan Fritz
I don't see this as being the client's job. Perhaps the protocol could be changed to either make more assumptions such as if the s2s connection is closed unexpectedly, then the server SHOULD consider all jids connected to it as offline and perhaps even the suggestion of If an available jid has

Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread Richard Dobson
Nathan Fritz wrote: I don't see this as being the client's job. Perhaps the protocol could be changed to either make more assumptions such as if the s2s connection is closed unexpectedly, then the server SHOULD consider all jids connected to it as offline and perhaps even the suggestion of If

Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread Robin Redeker
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:22:33PM +, Nathan Fritz wrote: I don't see this as being the client's job. I completly agree! My view was about how the client could fix that problem. And rather than the workarounds, a real solution would be more desireable than quirkshacks. And a server side

RE: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread JD Conley
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:22:33PM +, Nathan Fritz wrote: I don't see this as being the client's job. I completly agree! My view was about how the client could fix that problem. And rather than the workarounds, a real solution would be more desireable than quirkshacks. And a server

Re: [jdev] That presence problem again

2007-04-20 Thread Bruce Campbell
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Robin Redeker wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:22:33PM +, Nathan Fritz wrote: I don't see this as being the client's job. [.snip.] I don't believe that the client should take it upon itself to nag about presence, as presence is high traffic enough as it is. I