Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-05 Terurut Topik Feris Thia
Ah... ok.. It's all yours then ;) 2009/2/5 Adelwin Handoyo > Khan no time constraint dong? -- Thanks & Best Regards, Feris Thia Business Intelligence Consultant PT. Putera Handal Indotama Phone : +6221-30119353 Fax : +6221-5513483 Mobile : +628176-474-525 http://www.phi-integration.

RE: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-05 Terurut Topik Adelwin Handoyo
indonesia@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Adelwin Handoyo wrote: I'm not actually sure what you meant by "constraint in terms of space and time" When we were still in college, I say, the go

Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-05 Terurut Topik Nicholas I. S.
o think "education" as more of a "research" phase before you do your "production". During that "research" phase you should try to gather as much knowledge and as many skills as you possibly can, then you apply them in your "production" to produce

[JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-04 Terurut Topik nis06
Hi hi, I just got to say something about this :D "Sure.. if you have full resource to support your own living - independently from your company - than we can live in an ideal world : research and produce what we like without any time constraint. " Actually we all initially started in an "ideal" w

Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-04 Terurut Topik Feris Thia
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Adelwin Handoyo wrote: > I'm not actually sure what you meant by "constraint in terms of space and > time" > > When we were still in college, I say, the goal was to prove how good you > are. > > And re-collecting from your own days in college, how do you define how

RE: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-04 Terurut Topik Adelwin Handoyo
_ From: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jug-indone...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Feris Thia Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:09 PM To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer 2009/2/4 Adelwin Handoyo You k

Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-04 Terurut Topik Feris Thia
2009/2/4 Adelwin Handoyo > You know.. I once heard a saying.. > They say that in education, the goal was to prove how good you are... > But in the real world, the goal is to prove how FAST you are... > I guess that's why company uses timeline to measure just about > everything... > Sure.. if you

RE: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-03 Terurut Topik Adelwin Handoyo
: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jug-indone...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aiska Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:20 AM To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer Klo mau belajar tanpa akhir ya kembali saja ke bangku kuliah, jang

Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-03 Terurut Topik Feris Thia
Yup Dan employee yang sudah mabuk kebanyakan pulang dengan format "hh:mm:ss AM" karena kesalahan pribadi, tim dan juga kemmpuan negosiasi yang lemah Btw, lihat AM-nya itu :p hehehe 2009/2/4 Joshua Partogi > Sebenarnya apa yang dibilang pak Feris itu banyak benarnya. Pak Feris > kan melihat

Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-03 Terurut Topik Joshua Partogi
Sebenarnya apa yang dibilang pak Feris itu banyak benarnya. Pak Feris kan melihat dari kaca mata employer. :-) 2009/2/4 Aiska : > Klo mau belajar tanpa akhir ya kembali saja ke bangku kuliah, jangan > di dunia profesional. > > dijamin anda tidak akan menjadi "burden" bagi universitas, > dan anda j

[JUG-Indonesia] Re: [OOT] Survei: Tahapan Belajar Programmer

2009-02-03 Terurut Topik Aiska
Klo mau belajar tanpa akhir ya kembali saja ke bangku kuliah, jangan di dunia profesional. dijamin anda tidak akan menjadi "burden" bagi universitas, dan anda juga tidak perlu mengkomunikasikan dengan baik tentang timeline dan kebutuhan project. semakin lama timeline dan semakin banyak kebutuhan