Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-11-02 Thread Luca Salvatore
: Thursday, 1 November 2012 7:32 AM To: Morgan McLean Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches I see the 60 sec delay when crashing master. It seems the backup switch takes a while to notice the master is gone. But my main delay

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-11-02 Thread Billy Sneed
On 11/02/2012 02:21 AM, Luca Salvatore wrote: Confirmed as a bug. AE interfaces flap when master switch in VC reboots. Fixed in 11.4r6 (not released yet) or 12.1 Luca Do you have the PR# by chance, or any info I can read up on at juniper.net? ___

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-11-02 Thread Luca Salvatore
I was told PR/677087 but its currently marked as internal so not public On 02/11/2012, at 11:24 PM, Billy Sneed bi...@middlebury.edu wrote: On 11/02/2012 02:21 AM, Luca Salvatore wrote: Confirmed as a bug. AE interfaces flap when master switch in VC reboots. Fixed in 11.4r6 (not released

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-11-01 Thread Pavel Lunin
31.10.2012 10:38, joel jaeggli wrote: On 10/30/12 5:49 PM, Pavel Lunin wrote: When it comes to ethernet switching, routing protocols means what? :) spanning-tree/trill/l2vpn/NVO and so on. Right, but if we get back to the particular case of DC/enterprise core, consisting of two EX boxes, this

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Luca Salvatore
- bd...@comlinx.com.au Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Make sure the platform + software + configuration supports GRES + NSR + NSB and you're good to go. On 10/30/12 8:58 PM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: Yep

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Morgan McLean
: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morgan McLean Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:00 AM To: Ben Dale Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Neither of these two

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread joel jaeggli
On 10/30/12 5:49 PM, Pavel Lunin wrote: Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: IMHO multi-chassis boxes are for people who can't figure out routing protocols When it comes to ethernet switching, routing protocols means what? :) spanning-tree/trill/l2vpn/NVO and so on. And the same

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Tim Vollebregt
How many vmembers do you have configured on this set? I've seen serious issues with having trunk ports and a lot of vlans configured in terms of reconvergence time. Tim On 31-10-12 00:06, Morgan McLean wrote: Can anybody give me an idea regarding typical failover times if the master in a two

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Stefan Fouant
...@comlinx.com.au Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Make sure the platform + software + configuration supports GRES + NSR + NSB and you're good to go. On 10/30/12 8:58 PM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: Yep

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Luca Salvatore
Salvatore; Morgan McLean; EXT - bd...@comlinx.com.aumailto:bd...@comlinx.com.au Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.netmailto:juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Make sure the platform + software + configuration supports GRES + NSR + NSB

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Stefan Fouant
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: Yep my mistake. However I do have 'set chassis redundancy graceful-switchover' configured as well as 'set protocols nonestop-routing' On 31/10/2012, at 11:24 PM, Stefan Fouant

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Luca Salvatore
Yes so GRES and NSR is configured am correctly then? The AE is a VC-lag with one member on each switch. Luca On 01/11/2012, at 3:56 AM, Stefan Fouant sfou...@shortestpathfirst.net wrote: On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: Yep my mistake. However I do

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Doug Hanks
Don't forget to configure NSB to help with LACP and other L2 stuffs. set ethernet-switching-options nonstop-bridging On 10/31/12 1:05 PM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: Yes so GRES and NSR is configured am correctly then? The AE is a VC-lag with one member on each switch. Luca On

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Morgan McLean
Did you see the failover times I mentioned? Is that expected timing? 8 seconds using VC-LAG w/ LACP to a third switch when pulling masters power over 60 seconds when crashing master Morgan On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Doug Hanks dha...@juniper.net wrote: Don't forget to configure NSB to

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Luca Salvatore
I see the 60 sec delay when crashing master. It seems the backup switch takes a while to notice the master is gone. But my main delay is the fact that my OSPF neighbours are lost when master crashes. @Doug, nonstop bridging is also configured. Luca On 01/11/2012, at 7:25 AM, Morgan McLean

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-31 Thread Luca Salvatore
-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches I see the 60 sec delay when crashing master. It seems the backup switch takes a while to notice the master is gone. But my main delay is the fact that my OSPF neighbours are lost when master crashes

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Doug Hanks
Should be hitless. You need to configure GRES + NSR + no-split-detection. On 10/30/12 4:06 PM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody give me an idea regarding typical failover times if the master in a two switch pair were to die? The quickest I've seen in my testing with EX3300's is

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Morgan McLean
Have no split detection, I'll try for the GRES and NSR. Thanks, Morgan On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Doug Hanks dha...@juniper.net wrote: Should be hitless. You need to configure GRES + NSR + no-split-detection. On 10/30/12 4:06 PM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Ben Dale
Hi Morgan, On 31/10/2012, at 9:06 AM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody give me an idea regarding typical failover times if the master in a two switch pair were to die? The quickest I've seen in my testing with EX3300's is 45 seconds, just for L2 forwarding to continue

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Luca Salvatore
To: Morgan McLean Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Hi Morgan, On 31/10/2012, at 9:06 AM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody give me an idea regarding typical failover times if the master in a two switch pair

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Morgan McLean
Neither of these two options show up as a configurable flag: set routing-options nonstop-routing set ethernet-switching-options nonstop-bridging I'm running 11.4R2.14 on the ex3300-48t switches. Granted, right now the VC is broken so maybe it doesn't allow me to configure it? I can head to the

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Luca Salvatore
-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Neither of these two options show up as a configurable flag: set routing-options nonstop-routing set ethernet-switching-options nonstop-bridging I'm running 11.4R2.14 on the ex3300-48t switches

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Pavel Lunin
Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: IMHO multi-chassis boxes are for people who can't figure out routing protocols When it comes to ethernet switching, routing protocols means what? :) ___ juniper-nsp mailing list

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200

2012-10-30 Thread William McLendon
@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Message-ID: CAPiLEQdy1fMW5wG0qpY1ukn7tOvVP=pytj0axezsgfshxsi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Neither of these two options show up as a configurable flag: set

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Morgan McLean
Seriously, routing protocol ain't my problem here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Pavel Lunin plu...@senetsy.ru wrote: Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: IMHO multi-chassis boxes are for people who can't figure out routing protocols When it comes to

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200

2012-10-30 Thread Morgan McLean
wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:00:17 -0700 From: Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com To: Ben Dale bd...@comlinx.com.au Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Message-ID: CAPiLEQdy1fMW5wG0qpY1ukn7tOvVP=pytj0axezsgfshxsi

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Doug Hanks
...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morgan McLean Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:00 AM To: Ben Dale Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches Neither of these two options show up as a configurable flag: set routing-options nonstop

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-30 Thread Luca Salvatore
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches GR is mutually exclusive with NSR. You want NSR. On 10/30/12 5:44 PM, Luca Salvatore l...@ninefold.com wrote: I'm just playing around with this now since I have a few new EX switches not in production just yet Have

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-28 Thread Robert Hass
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Giuliano Medalha giuli...@wztech.com.br wrote: Considering the MX family (240, 480 and 960 with TRIO 3D) and the new MX-L Hi What is new MX-L - can you write a little mort ? MX80 successor ? Rob ___ juniper-nsp

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-28 Thread Morgan McLean
Any idea where i could test out the EX8200 VC in a lab somewhere? Think our vendor insight would have some I could fly out and mess with? Unfortunately the only two we have are for production, and they're a bit expensive to buy as lab toys. Morgan On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Robert Hass

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-28 Thread Giuliano Medalha
Robert, It was released by juniper one or two weeks ago I think. Take a look: https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/mx2000/ MX2010 MX2020 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/mx2000/#specifications But I really don't know if it will

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-27 Thread Ben Dale
On 27/10/2012, at 12:15 PM, Craig Askings caski...@ionetworks.com.au wrote: On Saturday, October 27, 2012, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I'm still sad that I couldn't get Juniper to bless the XRE200 as an external route reflector, since it's an infinitely more useful form factor than a

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Giuliano Medalha
Morgan, We have some cases running EX8200 as a Virtual Chassis, but you will need the XRE200 External Routing Engines: http://www.juniper.net/in/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/options/xre200/ Don't forget that you will need the 8 ports (10 gig) for chassis inter x connections -

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Morgan McLean
I know I need the XRE200, but my question would be why? Why is this the only EX product requiring external RE's? And also, it looks like you need two local RE's to be able to connect to two external RE's? Seems unnecessarily expensive. Also, are the 8XS required for inter connects? Right now I

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: fault tolerance. How reliable is VC? I've really done my best to avoid it I can't speak to EX3300 specifically, but on EX4200 the VC works very well. I have many stacks running for many years, and have had no

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Giuliano Medalha
Morgan, I really dont know why JUNIPER did this kind of crazy environment with EX8200. Considering the MX family (240, 480 and 960 with TRIO 3D) and the new MX-L I think you do not need the external routing engines for virtual chassis. About the line card ... the information I have is that you

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 07:44:27PM -0200, Giuliano Medalha wrote: Morgan, I really dont know why JUNIPER did this kind of crazy environment with EX8200. Considering the MX family (240, 480 and 960 with TRIO 3D) and the new MX-L I think you do not need the external routing engines for

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Morgan McLean
Obviously the external RE has its benefits, but I still need two RE per chassis to make use of it? Morgan Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 07:44:27PM -0200, Giuliano Medalha wrote: Morgan, I really

Re: [j-nsp] How reliable is EX multichassis? 3300 and 8200 switches

2012-10-26 Thread Craig Askings
On Saturday, October 27, 2012, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I'm still sad that I couldn't get Juniper to bless the XRE200 as an external route reflector, since it's an infinitely more useful form factor than a JCS, but alas lack of common sense knows no bounds. :) I'm glad I'm not the