Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-23 Thread Darren O'Connor
There is none. But the enterprise switching book is very good Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:15:36 +0400 From: nick.krit...@gmail.com To: dha...@juniper.net CC: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER Doug, thanks for the book. Nice to see the kindle

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Mihai Gabriel
I replaced some months ago a 7600-SUP32 with one Brocade CER2024 and I was very satisfied about their performance. Some features tested by me: bgp. Ospf, ldp, mpls, vrf, eompls, spanning-tree,ipv6, wire speed 10G ports. The olny feature not supported at that time was ipv6 in vrf,but they

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Darren O'Connor
that, if you just need an edge box running BGP, it's hard to beat. Generally you'll have a separate BRAS so I don't see that as a problem Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:31:51 +0300 From: mihaigabr...@gmail.com To: jjo...@danrj.com CC: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-10-22 08:57 +0100), Darren O'Connor wrote: CER-RT supports 1.5 million IPv4 in FIB, MX only does 1 million. However the CER-RT uses a slightly slower ram to hold these routes as opposed to TCAM for it's MLX/XMR bigger brothers. I'm not 100% sure what the performance knock for this

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Darren O'Connor
Why then does Juniper say it can hold 1 million in FIB? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:45:07 +0300 From: s...@ytti.fi To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER On (2012-10-22 08:57 +0100), Darren O'Connor wrote: CER-RT supports 1.5 million IPv4 in FIB

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-10-22 12:03 +0100), Darren O'Connor wrote: Why then does Juniper say it can hold 1 million in FIB? Because that is what marketing department asked them to say. Maybe also because that is what they actively test it before release. -- ++ytti

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Darren O'Connor
It was Doug Hanks that said it. And he wrote the new MX book Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:45:16 +0300 From: s...@ytti.fi To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER On (2012-10-22 12:03 +0100), Darren O'Connor wrote: Why then does Juniper say it can

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-10-22 13:21 +0100), Darren O'Connor wrote: It was Doug Hanks that said it. And he wrote the new MX book I've not read this book. But I find it really shame if book presents simplified marketing numbers instead of giving reader understanding of the platform. Juniper seems much more

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Doug Hanks
These numbers will change with every hardware release and software release. I used a generic number with the MX book. The idea is that as soon as the book hits the shelf, the testing numbers would have been obsolete anyway (it took Harry and I about 14 months to write). Your SE should be more

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-10-22 17:18 +), Doug Hanks wrote: These numbers will change with every hardware release and software release. I used a generic number with the MX book. The idea is that as soon as the book hits the shelf, the testing numbers would have been obsolete anyway (it took Harry and I

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi wrote: On (2012-10-22 17:18 +), Doug Hanks wrote: These numbers will change with every hardware release and software release. I used a generic number with the MX book. The idea is that as soon as the book hits the shelf, the

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Gavin Henry
I think you should check out the new MX book then. You'll be surprised at the amount of shell commands. The architecture chapter does cover a day in the life of a packet on all of the major MPCs. Just bought the PDF! I'm almost finished the other Junos O'Reilly books on Safari (but have also

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Gavin Henry
How do you get the PDF version? I don't see it mentioned anywhere. I'd love to be able to order paperback but get the PDF now :D http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023760.do PDF ebook. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0)

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-22 Thread Nick Kritsky
Doug, thanks for the book. Nice to see the kindle edition also. I will definitely order it today. Can you recommend the book of same depth for the EX series? thanks Nick ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net

[j-nsp] Juniper MX5 vs Brocade CER

2012-10-21 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Hey all, I have a customer asking us about upgrading their border routers. They currently use Cisco 7200's. We obviously have been recommending Juniper, but they've been looking around and have come back to us asking us about the Brocade CER200-RT units. By the specs and price, they certainly