Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-26 Thread Pavel Lunin
25.06.2012 16:06, Scott T. Cameron: 1. First, sorry for writing this once again, but it's just not the case. Any more or less smart stateful device, whether SRX or anything else, must not create session states for packets falling under a discard route. And SRX does not,

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-25 Thread Pavel Lunin
This is exactly what happened. The session table filled up. One of our security guys took down our edge 650 cluster from a single unix box out on the net. This is what happens when you use a stateful box for an internet router. a router with a covering aggreate and some knowledge of the

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-25 Thread Scott T. Cameron
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Pavel Lunin plu...@senetsy.ru wrote: This is exactly what happened. The session table filled up. One of our security guys took down our edge 650 cluster from a single unix box out on the net. This is what happens when you use a stateful box for an

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-25 Thread Tim Eberhard
While it's true that like all flow based devices the session table is susceptible to session table attacks. There are some major built in protection schemes put into place to limit the effectiveness and protect the SRX. For the record your proof of concept would take a lot of pps to fill up the

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-23 Thread Morgan Mclean
Actually, we used mx80's as our Internet routers. What do you suppose I use to handle my firewalling, ipsec and nat? Thank you everyone, I will pop back to this thread when I change things up and have our security guy test again. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:39 PM, joel jaeggli

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-23 Thread Scott T. Cameron
Generally you only want to bring traffic down to your SRX that can actually be used. There's no reason to advertise a /24 to your MX via IGP when you're only actually using a /27 -- the leftover is just going to take up sessions through random internet scans, etc. Forcing advertisements of /32

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-23 Thread Stefan Fouant
Sorry for the top post... Seems phone vendors haven't figured out how to create a decent email editor on a phone yet. When I worked at Arbor, we always recommended that customers would front end anything maintaining state (i.e. a SFW) with something that didn't (i.e. a Router) and to use

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread Pavel Lunin
I have a /24 I want to announce, but I don't actually have it anywhere on the network. I NAT some of its IP's on the SRX that has the BGP session with our providers. Static discard is really the best way. Aggregate/generate routes are also theoretically possible, but if you are not sure you

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread Scott T. Cameron
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: I have a /24 I want to announce, but I don't actually have it anywhere on the network. I NAT some of its IP's on the SRX that has the BGP session with our providers. I've been using static routes with the discard flag,

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread Doug Hanks
The static discard works just fine, but from what from I recall a simple static route would not insert the ATOMIC_AGGREGATE into BGP. For example to advertise 192.168.1.0/24 with ATOMIC_AGGREGATE. set routing-options static route 192.168.1.1/32 discard (contributing route) set routing-options

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread Morgan Mclean
What protocol do these aggregates show up under? Not static? Morgan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Doug Hanks dha...@juniper.net wrote: The static discard works just fine, but from what from I recall a simple static route would not insert the ATOMIC_AGGREGATE into BGP.

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread Morgan Mclean
This is exactly what happened. The session table filled up. One of our security guys took down our edge 650 cluster from a single unix box out on the net. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2012, at 4:39 AM, Scott T. Cameron routeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Morgan

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-22 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/22/12 9:49 AM, Morgan Mclean wrote: This is exactly what happened. The session table filled up. One of our security guys took down our edge 650 cluster from a single unix box out on the net. This is what happens when you use a stateful box for an internet router. a router with a

[j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-20 Thread Morgan McLean
I have a /24 I want to announce, but I don't actually have it anywhere on the network. I NAT some of its IP's on the SRX that has the BGP session with our providers. I've been using static routes with the discard flag, but I don't really like the way the SRX handles traffic. It still creates

Re: [j-nsp] Whats the best way to announce an IP range in BGP? Doesn't physically exist anywhere.

2012-06-20 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Morgan McLean wrote: I have a /24 I want to announce, but I don't actually have it anywhere on the network. I NAT some of its IP's on the SRX that has the BGP session with our providers. I've been using static routes with the discard flag, but I don't really like the way