Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Mar/20 17:25, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > Ahh no. See with decent TCP analyzer I am monitoring end to end > network behaviour regardless of the point I setup the TAP between src > and dst. Clearly easiest is to insert TAP in my ISP peering links. So > no guessing - real data only :). Yes -

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hey Mark, Just to clarify My thing is you probably have much better insight and control for > on-net. That leaves off-net as the main issue, as your direct upstream > and peering may be fine, but beyond that is anyone's guess. > Ahh no. See with decent TCP analyzer I am monitoring end to end

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Mar/20 12:56, Robert Raszuk wrote: > All, > > It seems that most answers and in fact the question itself assumes that all > we can do here is to be reactive. In my books that is an indication that we > have already failed. > > I do think that any one who has more then one internet

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Robert Raszuk
All, It seems that most answers and in fact the question itself assumes that all we can do here is to be reactive. In my books that is an indication that we have already failed. I do think that any one who has more then one internet upstream ISPs (full table or even defaults out) can do

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Marcel Bößendörfer
RIPE Atlas is also quite useful: https://atlas.ripe.net - beside NLNOG RING. Am So., 15. März 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Tore Anderson : > * james list > > > The question: once you notice issues on internet and your upstreams are > > fine, what instrument or service or commands or web site do you

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-15 Thread Tore Anderson
* james list > The question: once you notice issues on internet and your upstreams are > fine, what instrument or service or commands or web site do you use to try > to find out where is the problem and who is experiencing the problem (ie a > tier1 carrier)? We find that being an NLNOG RING

Re: [j-nsp] Internet monitoring in case of general issues

2020-03-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 14/Mar/20 15:24, james list wrote: > Many times we recognize issues on internet, customer asking why additional > delays are experienced, why it takes so long to access services, why "this > afternoon is slow", we notice fresh bgp updates, etc etc... > > Everybody should know internet is