Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-11-01 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2013-10-31, 10:57:51, Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:54:50AM +0100, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2013-10-31, 11:48:10, Michael wrote: Am Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:56 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Wednesday, 2013-10-30, 18:00:46,

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-11-01 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: ... [tl;dr summary, more modular-qt/kde-frameworks discussion] Yay! Duncan, I love you :) Regards, Myriam -- Proud member of the Amarok and KDE Community Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE:

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-11-01 Thread Michael
Am Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:58:43 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Thursday, 2013-10-31, 11:45:04, Michael wrote: Am Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:35:29 + (UTC) schrieb Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net: Up the stack at the application level, kde5 is breaking up and shipping most

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-11-01 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2013-11-01, 17:31:33, Michael wrote: Am Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:58:43 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: There are already quite some applications that have their own pace, e.g. Amarok and Digikam, so this is mostly an option that might be explored by more applicatons in

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-31 Thread Michael
Am Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:56 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Wednesday, 2013-10-30, 18:00:46, Michael wrote: And on the thread itself, I did not talk about any applications, I only speak of the UI + widgets and its issues. I know the threshold might be fuzzy there

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-31 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2013-10-31, 11:48:10, Michael wrote: Am Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:56 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Wednesday, 2013-10-30, 18:00:46, Michael wrote: And on the thread itself, I did not talk about any applications, I only speak of the UI + widgets and its

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-31 Thread Ross Boylan
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:54:50AM +0100, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday, 2013-10-31, 11:48:10, Michael wrote: Am Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:56 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Wednesday, 2013-10-30, 18:00:46, Michael wrote: And on the thread itself, I did not talk

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-30 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:02:12 +0100 as excerpted: Hi Duncan, as usual thanks for the thorough explanations. I've noted a couple of minor inaccuracies, so here we go :) On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 14:35:29, Duncan wrote: Both the kde foundations and the qt it's based on

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-30 Thread Michael
Am Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:45:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 06:48:40, Michael wrote: Hi Frank, Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:02 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: I suppose right now the migration to 5.0 takes lots of developer

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-30 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2013-10-30, 18:00:46, Michael wrote: And on the thread itself, I did not talk about any applications, I only speak of the UI + widgets and its issues. I know the threshold might be fuzzy there sometimes. Right. There are more precise ways to address different products, e.g.

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:29:37 +0100 as excerpted: Well, you could have used a + instead of /, same number of characters, no? :) Mmm, indeed. Thanks for the hint. It makes sense and I'll file it away to (hopefully remember to) use the next time. =:^) -- Duncan - List

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Draciron Smith
I'm going to disagree with you there DE. KDE is the most user friendly of desktops I've yet found. Odd behavior plagues all desktops, especially windoze. That Unity insanity which Windows 8 apparently attempted to mirror, trying to walk a new user through that garbage is like trying to learn a

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
Dnia 2013-10-29, o godz. 07:13:37 Draciron Smith draci...@gmail.com napisał(a): The whole single click thing which cannot be modified too a double click makes file transfers from disks an effort in frustration. Unless something changed in 4.11 (I am still using 4.10), you can go to

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 13:42:16, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: Dnia 2013-10-29, o godz. 07:13:37 Draciron Smith draci...@gmail.com napisał(a): The whole single click thing which cannot be modified too a double click makes file transfers from disks an effort in frustration. Unless something

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Duncan
Michael posted on Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:48:40 +0100 as excerpted: Oh, KDE4 is more or less in maintenance-mode? Err... scratch that. As of now I still believe maintenance is something that does not apply well to the KDE-kind-of development-style, so KDE4 is more or less obsolete now? That

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Duncan
Frank Steinmetzger posted on Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:02 +0100 as excerpted: But from a convenience standpoint, KDE beats them all with nice extra features (KIO, global keyboard shortcuts, range of consistent base-applications). And even though I have some issues with it now and then (like

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 06:48:40AM +0100, Michael wrote: Hi peops, […] 3.) Widgets, plasmoids, generel KDE features: Yeah well, really nice design (mostly), but from a usability standpoint? Often a mess. Plasma is a constant source of annoyance for me. I never really understood

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Duncan
Michael posted on Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:14:40 +0100 as excerpted: Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:10:16 +0530 schrieb dE de.tec...@gmail.com: I think KDE is not suitable for production environment. Just for casual enthusiasts. I guess that view is a bit too extreme, but interesting nevertheless. As

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:17:34PM +, Duncan wrote: Frank Steinmetzger posted on Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:02 +0100 as excerpted: I thought of not sending this, as it is more like a collection of bug whining, but after having spent lots of time on composing, it would be a waste of

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2013-10-28, 20:36:02, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:54:09AM +0100, Michael wrote: Hi peops, […] 3.) Widgets, plasmoids, generel KDE features: Yeah well, really nice design (mostly), but from a usability standpoint? Often a mess. Plasma is a constant

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 06:48:40, Michael wrote: Hi Frank, Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:02 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: I suppose right now the migration to 5.0 takes lots of developer resources, so I imagine fixing bugs in “obsolete” 4 gets even less attention. I

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Kevin Krammer
Hi Duncan, as usual thanks for the thorough explanations. I've noted a couple of minor inaccuracies, so here we go :) On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 14:35:29, Duncan wrote: Both the kde foundations and the qt it's based on are becoming a lot more modular, with the ability for developers to pick and

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-29 Thread Stephen Dowdy
Kevin Krammer wrote, On 10/29/2013 06:53 AM: On Tuesday, 2013-10-29, 13:42:16, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: Unless something changed in 4.11 (I am still using 4.10), you can go to configuration dialog in Dolphin and there, in Navigation pane, make double click open files (single click selects,

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Duncan
Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:23:05 +0100 as excerpted: Those commercial/proprietary model proponents do have a point, that IS a weakness of FLOSS I think the problem with this statement is mixing terms for orthogonal properties into one. A commercial product is something

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread dE
On 10/27/13 12:24, Michael wrote: Hi peops, I somewhat force myself to use KDE (once again), even though I am very likely to get annoyed rather fast when it comes to the KDE-specific kind of issues. Issues, I have never seen with any other project to that extent. And I ask myself, if others are

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2013-10-28, 09:42:07, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:23:05 +0100 as excerpted: Those commercial/proprietary model proponents do have a point, that IS a weakness of FLOSS I think the problem with this statement is mixing terms for orthogonal

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2013-10-28, 16:10:16, dE wrote: I think KDE is not suitable for production environment. Just for casual enthusiasts. I guess it will depend on the definition of those terms. I am sure the people who use KDE as their work place environment will enjoy learning that they are

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Michael
Hi Duncan, Hell! Don't take it the wrong way, but I strongly suggest you rethink your way of communicating on mailinglists. You went in such lengths in absolutely unrelated topics and even with slightly related topics you went by far, far, far, far to deep. It was really no pleasure at all to

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Michael
Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:12:41 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: Hi Michael, On Monday, 2013-10-28, 12:22:15, Michael wrote: Hi Kevin, Am Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:08:10 +0100 schrieb Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org: On Sunday, 2013-10-27, 07:54:09, Michael wrote: Granted,

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:54:09AM +0100, Michael wrote: Hi peops, […] 3.) Widgets, plasmoids, generel KDE features: Yeah well, really nice design (mostly), but from a usability standpoint? Often a mess. Plasma is a constant source of annoyance for me. I never really understood the need for a

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-28 Thread Michael
Hi Frank, Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:02 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:54:09AM +0100, Michael wrote: Hi peops, […] 3.) Widgets, plasmoids, generel KDE features: Yeah well, really nice design (mostly), but from a usability standpoint? Often a

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-27 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-10-27, 07:54:09, Michael wrote: Granted, not all issues will face on every system, something triggers the issues, sure. Not all users will think some stuff is implemented weird and in a rather un-usable state (even if I think something must be wrong with them then, as I can

Re: [kde] KDE's rough edges... what are your experiences?

2013-10-27 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Sunday, 2013-10-27, 16:47:08, Duncan wrote: FWIW, my thinking on this is that it just happens that the kde devs (and in particular the plasma devs, since that's the desktop kde uses) have a particularly bad case of one of the traits very common to free and open source application