Am Montag, 18. März 2019, 11:08:39 CET schrieb Boudewijn Rempt:
> On maandag 18 maart 2019 11:06:26 CET Eike Hein wrote:
> > On 3/18/19 6:38 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> > > I'm sure people are working hard on fixing things up, but right now
> > > webchat.kde.org just does not work. If I look in at
On maandag 18 maart 2019 11:06:26 CET Eike Hein wrote:
>
> On 3/18/19 6:38 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> > I'm sure people are working hard on fixing things up, but right now
> > webchat.kde.org just does not work. If I look in at the Krita channel on
> > webchat.kde.org, the last message is from
On 3/18/19 6:38 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
I'm sure people are working hard on fixing things up, but right now
webchat.kde.org just does not work. If I look in at the Krita channel on
webchat.kde.org, the last message is from 23:01 yesterday.
The Matrix folks told us they're working with f
On maandag 18 maart 2019 07:16:11 CET Luca Beltrame wrote:
> Il giorno Sun, 17 Mar 2019 23:25:01 +0100
> Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
>
> > Matrix is right now more than 2 hours behind for #kde-devel making it
> > totally useless.
>
> I don't see this big of a delay in large traffic channels li
Il giorno Sun, 17 Mar 2019 23:25:01 +0100
Albert Astals Cid ha scritto:
> Matrix is right now more than 2 hours behind for #kde-devel making it
> totally useless.
I don't see this big of a delay in large traffic channels like #plasma. The
worst
I've seen is a handful of seconds in both directio
El dimecres, 20 de febrer de 2019, a les 13:36:37 CET, Paul Brown va escriure:
> Hi all,
>
> Some aspects of Matrix which make it particularly suitable for KDE are:
Some aspects of IRC which make it particularly suitable are:
* It actually works
Matrix is right now
Hello all
Terribly sorry to interrupt here, but would it maybe make sense to move this
topic into its own, separate thread?
It seems to not be much about the Matrix Infrastructure or related articles.
This would make it easier to search, find and filter.
Thanks for considering and kind regar
On donderdag 28 februari 2019 21:48:15 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> On Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38:30 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is
> > appreciated.
>
> .. and leftover QtWS shirts, and some other items that I had made. I forget
>
On Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38:30 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is
> appreciated.
.. and leftover QtWS shirts, and some other items that I had made. I forget
where I reported that -- I can't spot it on this list, so maybe I sent that
in
El dijous, 28 de febrer de 2019, a les 16:38:30 CET, Jonathan Riddell va
escriure:
>
> I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is
> appreciated.
Do I understand it correctly that KDE e.V. gave you t-shirts, you sold them and
then kept the money?
That sounds quite bad to be hones
El dimecres, 20 de febrer de 2019, a les 13:36:37 CET, Paul Brown va escriure:
> Hi all,
>
> You can try KDE's Matrix service right now by checking out https://
> webchat.kde.org
What are we going to do with the constant loss of messages?
I posted a message in webc
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:08:14AM -0700, Andy B wrote:
> On his insistence, we worked to have a
> more clear policy of access to social media.
The board didn't work to have a more clear policy of access to social
media. The promo team did this. What I'm frustrated at is
understanding why the bo
Thanks for the discussion, it's what I've been missing :)
I've asked numberous e.V. board members and staff over the years how
e.V. can help people running conference stalls such as the one at
FOSDEM with stuff like logistics, banking, stocktaking, venue hire,
accounts review and stock storage,
Andy Betts
KDE Board
On Feb 28, 2019, 5:13 AM -0700, Jonathan Riddell , wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 03:06:22PM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > Hey Jon, I hope that the CWG response was not dismissive, and you were
> > certainly not ignored. We always listen and try to help when possible.
Hi,
of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder.
I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk
and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events:
Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:
> However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.
> Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board’s
> ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best
> intentions will also help you remove t
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 03:06:22PM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> Hey Jon, I hope that the CWG response was not dismissive, and you were
> certainly not ignored. We always listen and try to help when possible. If you
> didn't feel at the very least listened to, we failed there.
>
> You are one
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:
> With that said, is there anything that we can help with in this
> particular instance? Do we feel that we are satisfied with the answers
> provided?
Why did the e.v. president block shutting down the social-media
mailing list? The list is
Hi folks, since the CWG was referenced, I'll just reply here where we were
mentioned. I'm a Dot editor and IRC/Matrix user too.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:35 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> The workboard item is https://phabricator.kde.org/T10477 , it wasn't
> tagged KDE promo, it wasn't sent to th
On February 27, 2019 at 4:36:52 AM, Jonathan Riddell
(j...@jriddell.org(mailto:j...@jriddell.org)) wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:22:03AM -0700, Nate Graham wrote:
> > It's no great secret that Paul and Jonathan don't have a great working
> > relationship, but this problem needs to be addres
On miércoles, 27 de febrero de 2019 12:36:35 (CET) Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:22:03AM -0700, Nate Graham wrote:
> > It's no great secret that Paul and Jonathan don't have a great working
> > relationship, but this problem needs to be addressed openly.
> Au contrate, we hav
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:22:03AM -0700, Nate Graham wrote:
> It's no great secret that Paul and Jonathan don't have a great working
> relationship, but this problem needs to be addressed openly.
Au contrate, we have spent many a fine night drinking beer and whisky
together from Edinburgh to Sar
On Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:54:38 GMT Paul Brown wrote:
> > and I wasn't pinged
>
> As for this... well, as we are being frank here: You are not the most
> discrete of people and not anybody's first choice for keeping things
> quiet.
>
> Don't get me wrong, being forthcoming is a much appreci
On February 26, 2019 at 11:22:27 AM, Nate Graham
(n...@kde.org(mailto:n...@kde.org)) wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:37:56 -0700 Christian Loosli wrote
> > That all in mind is why I think the approach was maybe not the best one and
> > should be reconsidered for future events and article
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:37:56 -0700 Christian Loosli
wrote
> That all in mind is why I think the approach was maybe not the best one and
> should be reconsidered for future events and articles.
>
> Thanks and kind regards,
>
> Christian
I'm in agreement with Christia
Am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2019, 17:54:38 CET schrieb Paul Brown:
Hello Paul,
> > The workboard item is https://phabricator.kde.org/T10477, it wasn't
> > tagged KDE promo, it wasn't sent to the dot-editors list
>
> This is true. However, there were good reasons for keeping things under
> wraps:
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your feedback.
I personally still have concerns with the dot article. I am not a native
English speaker, so I am happy to stand corrected if I am wrong.
But to me, it still reads with some bias towards Matrix. I would like the
article to read as Matrix is yet another choic
Hello Jonathan,
> The workboard item is https://phabricator.kde.org/T10477, it wasn't
> tagged KDE promo, it wasn't sent to the dot-editors list
This is true. However, there were good reasons for keeping things under wraps:
Firstly nobody wanted it to pop up on some place like Reddit, have a b
Okay, I can see the point made by Laszlo and Helio. I retract my request
after further consideration.
I'm a part of the community, as is this discussion, and so I suppose it
should stay on the community mailing list.
Apologies for intervening... please continue.
-Scott
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8
Hi Scott,
I can see your point, so not trying to challenge it.
I just feel that open means open, not open like in facebook context. In a
completely open environment, it is not just the success and easiness that
becomes available, but some respectful and fair arguments, difficulties,
etc, that nee
Yes, i agreed to move elsewhere..
...as long the intention is just hide from the community and bury in
different place
This discussion should be public and visible to KDE community, as this is
the KDE spirit ever. If something was done wrong, everyone should be able
to understand and help to fix
Jonathan, et al -
Can I respectfully ask that this debate/dispute be moved elsewhere?
I've been on hiatus from my role as a minor KDE contibutor for a few
months. It's not encouraging to resume paying attention only to find
another argument in progress.
I suppose it could be argued that this
The workboard item is https://phabricator.kde.org/T10477 , it wasn't
tagged KDE promo, it wasn't sent to the dot-editors list and I wasn't
pinged (I'm the only active volunteer Dot editor).
I've tried to discuss problems in promo with the e.V. board and CWG in
the past when long term contributors
Hi Jonathan,
thanks for the wrap-up.
I am less interested in pointing blame, and more interested in
- how this could have happened
- what our learnings are so this doesn't happen again in the future?
It still is unclear to me how non-true accusations without further explanation
made it into
Chatting about this Dot story on the dot-editors list it seems the
story was written by the Matrix and Onboarding teams, reviewed by a
few people, but none who happened to pick up the concerns noted when
it was published. The story was amended when those concerns were
raised. Apologies for the con
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:10 AM Eike Hein wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2/21/19 8:46 PM, Filipe Saraiva wrote:
> > 2. What are the reasons to use a server owned by a company, not by us? I
> > don't want to start a flamewar, just know the reasons and motivations.
>
> Hosting a Matrix server currently requires
On 2/21/19 8:46 PM, Filipe Saraiva wrote:
2. What are the reasons to use a server owned by a company, not by us? I
don't want to start a flamewar, just know the reasons and motivations.
Hosting a Matrix server currently requires a quite beefy box, and is
also somewhat maintenance-intensive.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 8:54 AM Filipe Saraiva wrote:
>
> Em 20/02/2019 09:36, Paul Brown escreveu:
> > So please head over to https://webchat.kde.org (or matrix.kde.org via any
> > other Matrix client!), grab an account and join #kde:kde.org. For more
> > information, check out our Matrix wiki p
Em 20/02/2019 09:36, Paul Brown escreveu:
> So please head over to https://webchat.kde.org (or matrix.kde.org via any
> other Matrix client!), grab an account and join #kde:kde.org. For more
> information, check out our Matrix wiki page which includes details on how to
> configure desktop clien
Hi!
I think the public dot.kde.org article was a little bit premature, registration
does not work because of timeouts and/or CORS errors, ...
Best regards
Joseph Wenninger
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> Am 20.02.2019 um 15:37 schrieb Laszlo Papp :
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans T
Hi Lazlo,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:37 PM Laszlo Papp wrote:
> 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels?
>
> 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest.
> Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I
> would not mention this in
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:37:32 CET Laszlo Papp wrote:
> > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are
> > currently
> > on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to
> > expect from more modern IM services."
>
> 1. Why does KDE need to co
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans Tovetjärn
wrote:
> On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix)
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn
> wrote:
> > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > >
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn
wrote:
> > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sha
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn wrote:
>
> On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of
> > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long
> >
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 14:06:26 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> What the subject says. Please address your concerns to the people who made
> the decision and passed down the bullet points of the text.
>
> I will not be responding to any messages in this thread, since it is not my
>
Hello Paul,
in this case please do let me know who passed that text through, because it is
simply wrong and misleading, and I'm not terribly happy with that being on the
dot. It doesn't look terribly good when we spread wrong information about a
product we still actively use.
And I also wond
Dear all,
What the subject says. Please address your concerns to the people who made the
decision and passed down the bullet points of the text.
I will not be responding to any messages in this thread, since it is not my
place.
Cheers
Paul
--
Promotion & Communication
www: http://kde.org
Ma
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of
> information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long
> time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure
I have the same concerns as Christian.
1. We used to run internal Nokia IRC servers professionally for a long
time, so does Mozilla, etc.
2. I also do not understand the insecure claims.
3. As a matter of personal preference, I like some non-modern features
better than modern.
I am not against
Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019, 13:36:37 CET schrieb Paul Brown:
> Hi all,
Hi Paul,
> KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of
> information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long
> time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is al
Hi all,
KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of
information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long
time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure and
lacks features users have come t
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