Hey folks,
Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we
have done that. However the work does not end there. We have the
answer to the question "why are we here". We still need the answer to
the questio
Hi,
thanks for driving this discussion. It is a needed one. Here are my
early comments:
* "builds on open standards to prevent "lock-in" - I think that
prevent lock-in is not a reason but a consequence of building KDE
software on open standards. open stardars are aabout transparency,
agreement, p
Hi Agustin,
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:07:37 PM CEST Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote:
> thanks for driving this discussion. It is a needed one. Here are my
> early comments:
>
> * "builds on open standards to prevent "lock-in" - I think that
> prevent lock-in is not a reason but a consequence of
Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on wording:
I like that we state we want to "integrate well with other Free products to
complete the experience". I would explicitly mention "other Free *software*
and products", to make clear that we don't want to be a closed ecosys
Like Albert I mostly want to weigh in that I support the mission draft -
personally I consider the existance of a mission draft the central core
success.
It's one thing to be in opposition to parts of an existing mission - a
completely different one when you may or may not be in opposition wit
On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote:
> Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on wording:
>
> I like that we state we want to "integrate well with other Free products to
> complete the experience". I would explicitly mention "other Free *software*
> and
Hey,
Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going
forward.
The text itself is very clear and concise.
On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's
worthwhile having a statement about the infrastructure that KDE maintains
and develops? How abo
On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote:
> Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going
> forward.
>
> The text itself is very clear and concise.
>
> On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's
> worthwhile having a statement
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 15:29, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>
> On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote:
>> Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going
>> forward.
>>
>> The text itself is very clear and concise.
>>
>> On the last section about promoting de
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote:
>> Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on wording:
>>
>> I like that we state we want to "integrate well with other Free products to
>> complete the expe
On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 22:00:02 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>
>
> > On zondag 11 juni 2017 18:02:56 CEST Albert Vaca wrote:
>
>
> >> Thanks for putting this together! Some (late and) minor thoughts on
> >> wording:
> >>
> >> I like
On Monday 29 May 2017 21:17:29 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and
> provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for
> our work for the next years.
>
> https://community.kde.org/KDE/Mission
Good job, i like this text!
On 2017 M05 29, Mon 21:17:29 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
> wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we
> have done that. However the work does not end there. We have the
> answer to th
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Marco Martin wrote:
> Good job, i like this text!
>
> one thing i would add tough, is at
> "interoperates well with proprietary software, formats and services"
>
> I would really like adding something about being committed to interoperation
> with free software ser
Am 2017-06-13 15:29, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 14:16:25 CEST Kenny Coyle wrote:
Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive
going
forward.
The text itself is very clear and concise.
On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering i
Am 2017-06-15 19:28, schrieb Marco Martin:
On Monday 29 May 2017 21:17:29 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and
provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for
our work for the next years.
https://community.kde.org/KDE/M
Am 2017-06-16 21:35, schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
On 2017 M05 29, Mon 21:17:29 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote:
Hey folks,
Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we
have done that. However the work does
El dilluns, 29 de maig de 2017, a les 21:17:29 CEST, Lydia Pintscher va
escriure:
> Hey folks,
>
> Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
> wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we
> have done that. However the work does not end there.
On Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2017 22:41:04 CEST Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El dilluns, 29 de maig de 2017, a les 21:17:29 CEST, Lydia Pintscher va
>
> escriure:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
> > wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/V
Hi,
I'm new on the list so sorry for not replying to the thread.
I was asked to contribute my feedback on the Vision/Mission, so here it
goes.
I like Vision and Mission-Statement and they generally reflect my values
as well. They are very inclusive and fairly loose, which I think is the
only rea
Hi all,
Commenting in general here on the whole proposal rather than anyone's
specific remarks.
On the whole I think the mission and strategy are quite well aligned
and represent the community quite well. From time to time we may have
occasional exceptions to this (for instance, it is quite unlik
Hi Christian,
On donderdag 22 juni 2017 00:02:00 CEST Christian Mollekopf wrote:
> I'm new on the list so sorry for not replying to the thread.
>
> I was asked to contribute my feedback on the Vision/Mission, so here it
> goes.
>
> I like Vision and Mission-Statement and they generally reflect m
On Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:23:55 AM CEST you wrote:> Hi Christian,
>
> On donderdag 22 juni 2017 00:02:00 CEST Christian Mollekopf wrote:
...
>
> You are exactly right, these documents are fairly loose and they're not meant
> to be The Law, but give us all a bit more direction. That said, wit
Il giorno Mon, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 +0200
Lydia Pintscher ha scritto:
> I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and
> provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for
> our work for the next years.
As far as I can see, is
mentors people to contribute
On dinsdag 27 juni 2017 07:24:21 CEST Luca Beltrame wrote:
> Il giorno Mon, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 +0200
> Lydia Pintscher ha scritto:
>
>
>
> > I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and
> > provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for
> > our wo
Hello,
On Monday, 29 May 2017 21:17:29 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> [...]
> I'd like to invite you all to take a look at the current draft and
> provide your constructive feedback so we can use this as the basis for
> our work for the next years.
>
> https://community.kde.org/KDE/Mission
Took m
Hi Kevin,
On zondag 2 juli 2017 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be
> something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling
> very short on that. We face a problem, and instead of putting our efforts
> to find w
On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
...
> In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be
> something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling
> very short on that. We face a problem, and instead of putting our efforts
> to find where to go
Hey,
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017, at 03:43 AM, Kevin Ottens wrote:
>
> I hope for another fate. Because of that, I don't think this is a proper
> conclusion to the Evolving KDE effort or a proper answer to Paul's talk.
While I think I understand what you're looking for and don't find (yet)
in the visio
Hello,
On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> ...
>
> > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be
> > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling
> > very short
Hello,
On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:06:41 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On zondag 2 juli 2017 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be
> > something else than "nowhere in particular". Then I think we're falling
> > very short on that.
Hello,
On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 23:20:18 CEST Christian Mollekopf wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017, at 03:43 AM, Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > I hope for another fate. Because of that, I don't think this is a proper
> > conclusion to the Evolving KDE effort or a proper answer to Paul's talk.
>
> While I thi
On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction
> at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort
> zone. By doing that with the two examples above we might see a stronger
> influx of co
Hello,
On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:14:19 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction
> > at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort
> > zone.
On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
>
>
> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
How about Freedom?
Fits "KDE - be free".
There is also no freedom without privacy.
Greetings, Clemens.
Hello,
On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
> > Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
>
> How about Freedom?
> Fits "KDE - be free".
> There is also no freedom without privacy.
Way too abstract to
Am 5. Juli 2017 13:14:19 MESZ schrieb "Sebastian Kügler" :
>Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
Yes!
Many other software sources (Apple, Microsoft, ...) are currently moving away
from privacy, and the Free and Open Source communities are more needed then
ever to respond
On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
> > Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
>
> How about Freedom?
The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one of my favourite T-shirts...
Still, there exists already a software
Alexander Neundorf ha scritto:
> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
>>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
>>
>> How about Freedom?
>
> The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one of my favourite T-shirts...
On 2017 M07 5, Wed 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> > On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > > In my opinion our answer to "where we want to go" was supposed to be
> > > something else th
On 2017 M07 5, Wed 13:14:19 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On woensdag 5 juli 2017 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > IOW, knowing the organization as a whole decided on some sort of direction
> > at least for a while would prompt me into looking beyond my usual comfort
> > zone. By doing that w
Am 05.07.2017 um 16:23 schrieb Kevin Ottens:
> Hello, > > On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >>
On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote: >>>
Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years? >> >> How
about Freedom? >> Fits "KDE - be free". >> There is
Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
>>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
>> How about Freedom?
> The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one of my favourit
Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
>>> Should we make privacy our main focus for the next 5 years?
>> How about Freedom?
> I think that's too broad for KDE.
https://www.yo
On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 12:17:10 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 22:28:24 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> > > On 2017 M07 2, Sun 03:43:57 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > In my opin
Hello,
On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> More like "Practical Freedom"?
> The KDE community imo shouldnt be about "technicalities", thats up to
> how each project tries to contribute or work towards that ultimate goal
> that is freedom.
> Wiki2Learn for example reall
On donderdag 6 juli 2017 01:45:59 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
> > On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
>
> >> How about Freedom?
>
> > The "KDE - Digital Freedom" is one
Am 06.07.2017 um 07:30 schrieb Kevin Ottens:
> Hello, > > On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote: >>
More like "Practical Freedom"? >> The KDE community imo shouldnt be
about "technicalities", thats up to >> how each project tries to
contribute or work towards that ultimate g
On 2017 M07 6, Thu 07:29:39 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
...
> > Except that I don't think "Open Data" should really be THE focus of KDE
> > (but I guess you just used that as a random example ?), I fully agree.
>
> It wasn't totally
Am 06.07.2017 um 10:09 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
> On donderdag 6 juli 2017 01:45:59 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
>> Am 05.07.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
>>> On 2017 M07 5, Wed 15:05:26 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
On Jul 5, 2017 13:14, "Sebastian Kügler" wrote:
How about F
Hello,
On Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:27:52 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> Am 06.07.2017 um 07:30 schrieb Kevin Ottens:
> > Hello, > > On Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:19:00 CEST Clemens Toennies wrote:
> > >>
> More like "Practical Freedom"? >> The KDE community imo shouldnt be
> about "technicalities",
Hello,
On Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:27:45 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On 2017 M07 6, Thu 07:29:39 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:12:38 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> ...
>
> > > Except that I don't think "Open Data" should really be THE focus of KDE
> > > (but I g
Hi,
On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> Hello,
...
> > How about collecting ideas for that ?
> > We have already 5.
>
> 5? I missed a couple I guess. I spotted only "privacy" and "freedom" so far.
For completeness:
- privacy
- (practical) freedom
- reliability
- KDE apps for A
Hello,
On Friday, 7 July 2017 23:16:32 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > > How about collecting ideas for that ?
> > > We have already 5.
> >
> > 5? I missed a couple I guess. I spotted only "privacy" and "freedom" so
> > far.
>
> For comple
On zondag 9 juli 2017 17:41:03 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Friday, 7 July 2017 23:16:32 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> > On 2017 M07 7, Fri 07:21:32 CEST Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > > > How about collecting ideas for that ?
> > > > We have already 5.
> > >
> > > 5? I missed a couple I
Hi Sebas,
On Monday 10 July 2017 13:00:09 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>
[Rearranging your text quite freely]
> It just occurred to me, that it would be good at this point to gauge with
> the active community what a mission would be, some simple questions such
> as:
>
> - Have you been contributing
On maandag 10 juli 2017 13:44:54 CEST Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> > It just occurred to me, that it would be good at this point to gauge with
> > the active community what a mission would be, some simple questions such
> > as:
> >
> > - Have you been contributing in any significant way to KDE in th
Hello,
First of all, thanks a lot to Adriaan for putting my thought in much better
words than I can. :-)
On Monday, 10 July 2017 13:54:09 CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> I forgot to make that clear: I was thinking of a poll / vote / survey thing,
> lightweight, but not email and get active commun
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kenny Coyle wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Thanks for putting this together, I can only see it being positive going
> forward.
>
> The text itself is very clear and concise.
>
> On the last section about promoting development, I'm wondering if it's
> worthwhile having a stateme
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Marco Martin wrote:
>> Good job, i like this text!
>>
>> one thing i would add tough, is at
>> "interoperates well with proprietary software, formats and services"
>>
>> I would really like adding something
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:43 AM, Kevin Ottens wrote:
> From that point of view, I would say I got only one small concern. The Mission
> seems to overlap with the Manifesto to some extent, which is likely fine. And,
> at the same time, neither the Vision or the Mission refers to the Manifesto
> whic
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Last year we have talked a lot about KDE's vision, fleshed it out and
> wrote it down: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision I am proud that we
> have done that. However the work does not end there. We have the
> answer to the
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