Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Sunday 10 June 2012, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > Why not start now and make the next kdelibs 4.8.5? Releasing a kdelibs > 4.9 will just add to the confusion of how kdelibs development is > working. Because having a kdelibs version different from (and especially lower than) the KDE SC version mess

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 09/06/2012, a las 10:30, "Aaron J. Seigo" escribió: On Saturday, June 9, 2012 13:40:29 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:57:16 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: now, i really don't understand the use of words like stupid and dumb. I'll leave the fist fighting to others, and wou

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Laszlo Papp
>> Thank you for pushing a bunch of untested huge changes in the "minor" >> point >> release. Really appreciated. >> > what are those untested changes please? +1. Bit of nitpick about wording, but 4.8.4 is a new patch level release, not minor. Best Regards, Laszlo Papp

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 09 June 2012, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > things that change APIs, that do not leave kdelibs non-useful on large %s > of user systems, etc. would therefore not meet the likely requirements. > and i say that as someone who is sitting on patches to kparts (written by > Ivan, not me :) that i

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Alex Merry
On 09/06/12 21:53, Alex Merry wrote: > On 09/06/12 14:30, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> personally, i think it is completely unnecessary and that we should all get >> used to it now because it could happen in future that Frameworks are >> released >> on a different release cycle to applications so th

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Alex Merry
On 09/06/12 14:30, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > personally, i think it is completely unnecessary and that we should all get > used to it now because it could happen in future that Frameworks are released > on a different release cycle to applications so that "kdelibs version == > workspaces version"

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Saturday, 2012-06-09, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Saturday, June 9, 2012 17:23:44 Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > > I've run the compatibility test against the 4.8.3 and 4.8.4 versions of > > KDE-libs using the ABI Compliance Checker tool and got the following > > > report: > this is remarkably usef

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 17:23:44 Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > I've run the compatibility test against the 4.8.3 and 4.8.4 versions of > KDE-libs using the ABI Compliance Checker tool and got the following > report: this is remarkably useful. thanks! are we running this on every release? if not,

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
Hi, I've run the compatibility test against the 4.8.3 and 4.8.4 versions of KDE-libs using the ABI Compliance Checker tool and got the following report: http://upstream-tracker.org/compat_reports/kde-libs/4.8.3_to_4.8.4/compat_report.html The report shows that the API/ABI structure is not af

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:57:16 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > now, i really don't understand the use of words like stupid and dumb. I'll leave the fist fighting to others, and would like to apologize for my choice of words. I still dont think the decision to freeze master was a good or necessar

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:37:28 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: > > You are all making noise out of nothing, the amount of changes is in the > same order of magnitude of other releases. > > Please stop let's stop throwing shit to the other side of the fence and > start being constructive Actually y

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:10:40 schrieb Modestas Vainius: > Hello, > > On šeštadienis 09 Birželis 2012 13:01:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 > > > was pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwards in terms of > > > st

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 11:58:44 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > On Saturday 09 June 2012, Modestas Vainius wrote: > > I don't know yet if any other modules from 4.8.4 has been > > mis-packaged in the same way > > Due to the permanent feature freeze of kdelibs 4, there is actually no > difference between

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 13:40:29 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:57:16 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > now, i really don't understand the use of words like stupid and dumb. > > I'll leave the fist fighting to others, and would like to apologize for my > choice of words. cool

Re: kdelibs and Qt version dependency

2012-06-09 Thread Laszlo Papp
> Just checked the Qt docs for 4.8 and this new method is not marked as > new in 4.8, bad Qt coder! Forgot to mention, but should be fixed in the future versions: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,28087 Best Regards, Laszlo Papp

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 13:10:40 Modestas Vainius wrote: > > There's no mispackaging. If you followed the list or read the archives > > before blaming people of wrong doing you'd know that kdelibs for 4.8.4 and > > 4.8.80 actually come from the same branch. > > Thank you for pushing a bunch of u

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:20:23 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > rewritten or broken. However, imposing this branch weirdness on everyone > else for pure political reasons is just wrong. it isn't for political reasons. kdelibs development is focusing on 5.0. there are no further feature releases

Re: Downtime notification: bugs.kde.org and identity.kde.org

2012-06-09 Thread Ben Cooksley
Hi all, Following a request from the KDE Quality team, the downtime for Bugzilla will be postponed until Tuesday evening, CEST time. KDE Identity will still under go down time as scheduled. Regards, Ben Cooksley KDE Sysadmin

Re: Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:58:44 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Yes, it's stupid, but it's how the kdelibs maintainers want things to be. > :-( There's a difference between "I don't follow the reasoning" or "I don't think the maintainer's reasons are valid" and "stupid". Please be more respectful, or

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 09 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > There is not stupid not weird thing in kdelibs. We simply declared kdelibs > to be feature perfect and only bugfixes should be happening there. > > What's the problem with that? That no software is ever perfect. For example, we will NEED the S

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dissabte, 9 de juny de 2012, a les 12:28:11, Andreas K. Huettel va escriure: > Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:10:40 schrieb Modestas Vainius: > > Hello, > > > > On šeštadienis 09 Birželis 2012 13:01:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. Whil

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dissabte, 9 de juny de 2012, a les 13:10:40, Modestas Vainius va escriure: > Hello, > > On šeštadienis 09 Birželis 2012 13:01:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 > > > was > > > pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwa

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Anne-Marie Mahfouf
On 06/09/2012 12:10 PM, Modestas Vainius wrote: Hello, On šeštadienis 09 Birželis 2012 13:01:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote: here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 was pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwards in terms of stability (random crashes there and

Re: deprecated annotation 'com.trolltech.QtDBus......"

2012-06-09 Thread Thiago Macieira
On sábado, 9 de junho de 2012 12.03.44, Jaime wrote: > Hi, > > Can/Should the DBus introspection Object xmls with deprecated annotations > com.trolltech.QtDBus > be updated to > org.qtproject.QtDBus > > before 4.9 is released? Is the conversion valid for Qt4.7? It isn't. Don'

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On šeštadienis 09 Birželis 2012 13:01:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 was > > pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwards in terms of > > stability (random crashes there and there). After quick investigation of >

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dissabte, 9 de juny de 2012, a les 10:35:15, Modestas Vainius va escriure: > Hello, Hi > here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 was > pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwards in terms of stability > (random crashes there and there). After quick invest

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 09 June 2012, Modestas Vainius wrote: > I don't know yet if any other modules from 4.8.4 has been > mis-packaged in the same way Due to the permanent feature freeze of kdelibs 4, there is actually no difference between kdelibs 4.8.4 and 4.8.80/4.8.90 other than the version number, th

ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, here at Debian we had a really bad experience with 4.8.4. While 4.8.3 was pretty good, 4.8.4 seemed like a huge step backwards in terms of stability (random crashes there and there). After quick investigation of kdelibs 4.8.4 I found the following: $ diff -uNr kdelibs-4.8.3 kdelibs-4.8.4 |