Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-06 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Hi, I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to toggle UI items such as menubar, toolbars, sidebars or statusbar should be labeled "Show/hide Foo" depending on the visibility of Foo rather than implemented as a checkable "[ ] Show Foo" item. Having started to work on converting

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-06 Thread Christoph Feck
Hi Aurélien, On Saturday 06 November 2010 15:31:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to toggle UI > items such as menubar, toolbars, sidebars or statusbar should be labeled > "Show/hide Foo" depending on the visibility of Foo rather than > implemen

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-06 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On 06/11/2010 16:47, Christoph Feck wrote: >> # The "Fix my mess" plan >> [... long plan involving reverting ...] >> This should reduce the risk of build failures since any application I >> missed which switched to showHide*() methods will continue to build but >> get warnings for one week. Does th

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Saturday 06 November 2010, Ingomar Wesp wrote: > Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to > > toggle UI items such as menubar, toolbars, sidebars or statusbar > > should be labeled "Show/hide Foo" depending on the visibility of > > Foo rather than

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On 07/11/2010 14:16, David Jarvie wrote: > On Sunday 07 November 2010 09:31:44 Ingo Klöcker wrote: >> On Saturday 06 November 2010, Ingomar Wesp wrote: >>> Aurélien Gâteau wrote: I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to toggle UI items such as menubar, toolbars, sideb

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On 06/11/2010 22:26, Ingomar Wesp wrote: > Aurélien Gâteau wrote: >> I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to toggle UI >> items such as menubar, toolbars, sidebars or statusbar should be labeled >> "Show/hide Foo" depending on the visibility of Foo rather than >> implemented a

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Sunday 07 November 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > On Sunday 07 November 2010 09:31:44 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Saturday 06 November 2010, Ingomar Wesp wrote: > > > Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > > > I have been quite busy trying to convince everyone actions to > > > > toggle UI items such as menubar,

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Sunday 07 November 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > On Sunday 07 November 2010 19:12:46 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Sunday 07 November 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > > > On Sunday 07 November 2010 09:31:44 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > > > On Saturday 06 November 2010, Ingomar Wesp wrote: > > > > > Aurélien Gâ

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-07 Thread Johannes Sixt
Am 11/7/2010 20:12, schrieb Ingo Klöcker: > Quite frankly, I cannot image the number of users which grasp "[ ] Show > Toolbar" but not "[ ] Toolbar" to be significant. Surely, there are a > lot of not that computer literate people (like my parents) who > understand neither one nor the other. But

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-08 Thread Christoph Feck
On Monday 08 November 2010 08:06:58 Johannes Sixt wrote: > How is a checkable menu entry that is not checked different from a menu > entry that is not checkable, hm? There is *no* difference. That depends on the used style. With Skulpture, for example, any checkable entry shows a check box, eithe

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-08 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On Monday 08 November 2010 14:35:16 Christoph Feck wrote: > On Monday 08 November 2010 08:06:58 Johannes Sixt wrote: > > How is a checkable menu entry that is not checked different from a menu > > entry that is not checkable, hm? There is *no* difference. > > That depends on the used style. With S

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-08 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Monday 08 November 2010 schrieb Johannes Sixt: > How is a checkable menu entry that is not checked different from a menu > entry that is not checkable, hm? There is *no* difference. Broken UI style? There "*can be*" a difference ;-P Unchecked Box: Bespin, Skulpture, Oxygen, QtCurve, Motif/CDE,P

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-08 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On 08/11/2010 14:18, Thomas Lübking wrote: > Am Monday 08 November 2010 schrieb Johannes Sixt: >> How is a checkable menu entry that is not checked different from a menu >> entry that is not checkable, hm? There is *no* difference. > Broken UI style? There "*can be*" a difference ;-P > > Unchecked

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-08 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On 06/11/2010 15:31, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > # The "Fix my mess" plan > > I would like to revert r1186566, r1186567 and r1192393: > > http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1186566 > http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1186567 > http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1192

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-09 Thread Christoph Feck
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 15:52:01 Hans Meine wrote: > Hi Aurélien, > > I just want to express how much I appreciate your judiciousness to say you > dislike your own proposal now. I was quite sceptical about it, but did not > want to go bikeshedding, so I am happy you changed your mind *and* ac

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-09 Thread Hans Meine
Hi Aurélien, I just want to express how much I appreciate your judiciousness to say you dislike your own proposal now. I was quite sceptical about it, but did not want to go bikeshedding, so I am happy you changed your mind *and* actually made this whole public experiment. It's certainly an a

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-09 Thread Dario Freddi
On 09/11/2010 15:52, Hans Meine wrote: > Hi Aurélien, > > I just want to express how much I appreciate your judiciousness to say you > dislike your own proposal now. I was quite sceptical about it, but did not > want to go bikeshedding, so I am happy you changed your mind *and* actually > made

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-09 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 08 November 2010, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > On 08/11/2010 14:18, Thomas Lübking wrote: > > Am Monday 08 November 2010 schrieb Johannes Sixt: > >> How is a checkable menu entry that is not checked different from a > >> menu entry that is not checkable, hm? There is *no* difference. > > > >

Re: Changing my mind: reverting my menubar, toolbars and statusbar changes

2010-11-09 Thread Christoph Feck
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 23:40:06 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > So what is Apple's solution for the problem of checkable menu entries? > What is Microsoft's solution? GNOME uses "X Toolbar" [1] MacOS X uses "Show/Hide Toolbar" [2] [1] http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-types.html.en