Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-10 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Hi, one of Debian's Qt/KDE packagers here. Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 20:35:22 Luca Beltrame wrote: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Monday 08 July 2013 20:35:22 Luca Beltrame wrote: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the proposal. A detailed explanation follows. First and

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino wrote: We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check for new dependencies (resp. dependencies not needed anymore), new modules (resp. modules not part of the SC anymore), build failure, etc... Can't we do

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Monday 08 July 2013 20:16:16 Scott Kitterman wrote: For Kubuntu (also mostly volunteer effort), it took about two weeks to package the 4.11 beta. For generating package updates for already existing packages, we have a script that will produce initial packages. This is quite fast, should be

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino wrote: We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check for new dependencies (resp. dependencies not needed anymore), new modules (resp. modules not part

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:11:48 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 20:16:16 Scott Kitterman wrote: For Kubuntu (also mostly volunteer effort), it took about two weeks to package the 4.11 beta. For generating package updates for already existing packages, we have a script

Re: Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:33:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino wrote: We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check for new dependencies (resp.

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:33:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino wrote: We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check for new dependencies (resp.

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:43:48 Scott Kitterman wrote: I want the point releases. The reasons for wanting them are for consistency, marketing, and for distro policy releases its' much easier to get a set of packages that are part of a release through the post distro release QA process than a

Re: Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Harald Sitter
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:33:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino wrote: We don't just run a sed rule on each spec

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Vishesh Handa
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote: These all have to be test compiled, checked for new or missing files, checked for files that have moved between packages, checked for license/copyright updates, etc. I guess you have all this mostly automagically

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Parker Coates
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Vishesh Handa wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: These all have to be test compiled, checked for new or missing files, checked for files that have moved between packages, checked for license/copyright updates, etc. I guess you

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote: These all have to be test compiled, checked for new or missing files, checked for files that have moved between packages, checked for license/copyright updates, etc. I guess you

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Vishesh Handa
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote: There I'd a licensecheck script that does this. It helps, but the results have to be checked and properly documented and so thete is still substantial manual work required. KDE packages are generally better about

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Harald Sitter
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote: Could you please elaborate why the licensing stuff cannot be automatically done? There I'd a licensecheck script that does this. It helps, but the results have to be checked and properly documented and so thete is still

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Harald Sitter
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com wrote: There I'd a licensecheck script that does this. It helps, but the results have to be checked and properly documented and so thete is still substantial

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Vishesh Handa
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: there would not be any problem. But reality diverges :( I'm all for fixing this in at least KDE SC. That way if/when we have shorter releases you can have some kind of guarantee that you will not encounter strange behaviours

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-09, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: there would not be any problem. But reality diverges :( I'm all for fixing this in at least KDE SC. That way if/when we have shorter releases you can have some kind of

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:50:59 Harald Sitter wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:33:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 22:01:29 Andrea Scarpino

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:07:33 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2013-07-09, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: there would not be any problem. But reality diverges :( I'm all for fixing this in at least KDE SC. That way if/when

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 14:54:38 Harald Sitter wrote: yes, not releated to schedules directly. the problem however is more social than anything. people mostly don't care enough. like not adding a fully copy of the GPL. if you buy some router running Linux you will get with it a printed copy

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-09, Àlex Fiestas afies...@kde.org wrote: If we keep copyright holders and licence, we can change the structure of the header, no? We can. /Sune

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday 09 July 2013, Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:50:59 Harald Sitter wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:33:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:05:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote:

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday 09 July 2013, Àlex Fiestas wrote: ... What we need then is: -Be Have a strict policy on using always using find_package if somewhere a package which is used without being searched for this is and always was a build system bug. Alex

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday 09 July 2013, Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 20:35:22 Luca Beltrame wrote: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:52:04 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Tuesday 09 July 2013 06:43:48 Scott Kitterman wrote: I want the point releases. The reasons for wanting them are for consistency, marketing, and for distro policy releases its' much easier to get a set of packages that are part

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Philip Muskovac
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:03:30 Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 08 July 2013 20:35:22 Luca Beltrame wrote: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against

openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-08 Thread Luca Beltrame
(apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the proposal. A detailed explanation follows. First and foremost, the KDE packaging in openSUSE is almost

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-08 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:35:22, Luca Beltrame va escriure: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the proposal. A detailed

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-08 Thread Andrea Scarpino
On Monday 08 July 2013 21:55:28 Albert Astals Cid wrote: From total ignorace, how much time do you need to change a 4.12 to a 4.13 in a spec file? What is consuming your time doing a packaging of a new release? We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 08, 2013 09:55:28 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:35:22, Luca Beltrame va escriure: (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

2013-07-08 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data lunedì 08 luglio 2013 21:55:28, hai scritto: From total ignorace, how much time do you need to change a 4.12 to a 4.13 in a spec file? What is consuming your time doing a packaging of a new release? Major releases: These require more work, rather obviously, although a small number of