Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Mac
Hi all, some thoughts on KDE and windows from a random user. Most people have Windows OS of various flavours installed on their machines. They have access to the internet. A lot of them search for a tool to undertake a task, manager their money or photos for example. They discover that such to

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:17:17 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 14:08:38 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do I even nee

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:17:17 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 14:08:38 Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: > > > way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do I > > > even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. Are yo

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Aleix Pol
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 14:08:38 Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: > > > > > way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do > I > > > even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. A

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:57:08, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > I don't see why that shouldn't be possible. > > But _is_ it possible? Without hacking all the kservice code? Is there a > switch or an environment variable or something? No idea. Also I was ass

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:55:30, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:30:11, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > >> The KDE installer distribution is kind of like cygwin and is so > >> complicated > >> that it will never reach a large audience. Peop

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Kevin Krammer wrote: I don't see why that shouldn't be possible. But _is_ it possible? Without hacking all the kservice code? Is there a switch or an environment variable or something? Boud ___ Kde-windows mailing list Kde-wind

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 04:48:59, Doug wrote: > I just had reason to download and install KDE-win a couple hours ago. > KSnapshot does copy screen images, but it requires > Gwenview to print them. This is not a big improvement on Snipping Tool. > In PCLOS, it has Printer as a Send To option. > It

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:30:11, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: The KDE installer distribution is kind of like cygwin and is so complicated that it will never reach a large audience. People want to download Krita, not KDE. And besides, because it contains all

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Doug
On 04/08/2014 04:30 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 08:45:56 Andrius da Costa Ribas wrote: Hello, Sticking to the items pointed by Aleix, in my humble opinion: - We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution? Should it be a development platform or a site to download

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:17:17, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 14:08:38 Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: > > > way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do I > > > even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. Are you

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-04-08, 10:30:11, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > The KDE installer distribution is kind of like cygwin and is so complicated > that it will never reach a large audience. People want to download Krita, > not KDE. And besides, because it contains all the stuff for all the kde > application

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 08:45:56 Andrius da Costa Ribas wrote: > Hello, > > Sticking to the items pointed by Aleix, in my humble opinion: > - We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution? Should it be a > development platform or a site to download installers? > *We are both a distributi

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-08 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Monday 07 April 2014 Apr 14:08:38 Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: > > > way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do I > > even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. Are you really trying to emulate > > windows registry? one of the wors

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2014-04-02, 18:19:09, Chris wrote: > way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders last. Why do I > even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. Are you really trying to emulate > windows registry? one of the worst inventions like ahh ever. The system config cache is not a config

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-07 Thread Andrius da Costa Ribas
Hello, Sticking to the items pointed by Aleix, in my humble opinion: - We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution? Should it be a development platform or a site to download installers? *We are both a distribution (installer) and a development platform (emerge) and I think we should keep b

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-03 Thread Doug
On 04/03/2014 03:41 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: /snip/ I find people expect native installers on windows, be it exe or msi. If you ask I'd look at priorities to see what apps to maintain on Windows, look what type of app is otherwise unavailable on Windows/Mac. Krita or Kexi comes as example.

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-03 Thread Chris
I think people took my mostly tongue in cheek a little too seriously I meant what I said, but the cheeky part was adding the tags I now wish I hadn't It seemed to make people take my words to heart. Let me get one thing absolutely clear. The development work everyone has done on both KDE a

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-03 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 3 April 2014 03:50, Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi, > To be honest, I didn't expect people to use the occasion for ranting. We all > know it's been hard to do multiplatform development on kdelibs 4, that's for > granted. That's why some of us went through kdelibs and made it become the > KDE Frameworks

Re: The future of KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Aleix Pol
Hi, To be honest, I didn't expect people to use the occasion for ranting. We all know it's been hard to do multiplatform development on kdelibs 4, that's for granted. That's why some of us went through kdelibs and made it become the KDE Frameworks 5. It's been a massive project, and we've done it f

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Chris
Thanks Cristian My comments should be seen as positive criticisms. As you are well aware I have had many problems getting a working environment in windows. The emerge system is a wonderful collection of software. When it works it is fantastic, unfortunately it is very fragile. Being a 'newb' c

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Gilles Caulier
Hi, Your are not alone. For digiKam under windows, it's the same problem to release a version running on this system... So i'm hear this thread with interrest, to see which solutions are planed for the future... Best Gilles Caulier 2014-04-02 12:08 GMT+02:00 Chris : > Wow > > Its great to see

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Chris
Wow Its great to see I am not alone. You have obviously gone to a great deal of effort to get this all working. So I really appreciate the chance to clone your kde 'lite' environment. The KDE learning curve is quite substantial. For example It took a while to figure out there was some sort o

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Cristian OneČ›
Hi, Just my 2 cents on this. Rants won't help improving anything. The most important cause that's holding back KDE on Windows development, I think, is the number of people working on it and their spare time. So, this being open source, if you have a itch please scratch it. I admit that KDE on Wind

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
Well, you post it as a rant, but I have to agree... The big problem is that KDE4 is both a platform and a development framework, and the two are mixed together. For Krita, I've stopped using the emerge system to get the dependencies, because it's just too fragile. It's wonderful if you want to

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-02 Thread Chris
As a developer who is trying to compile and then improve kmymoney on windows I must say it is the most painful process. If you want portability for KDE apps you need to uncouple applications from a lot of the hardcore KDE stuff. Just creating a suitable environment for building kmymoney has

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-01 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 1 April 2014 20:31, Doug wrote: In my experience, there are very few KDE programs that work in Windows. I think the only ones I have are Dolphin, Find Files, and Kate, and I think, Solitaire. Maybe but I think it's not a technical barrier but m

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-01 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 1 April 2014 20:31, Doug wrote: > > On 04/01/2014 10:06 AM, Aleix Pol wrote: > > Hi! > As you hopefully saw on the planet, we're trying to get together the > different KDE initiatives and projects to foresee what KDE software will > look like once we've adopted Qt5 and KF5 [1]. > > I would like

Re: KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-01 Thread Doug
On 04/01/2014 10:06 AM, Aleix Pol wrote: Hi! As you hopefully saw on the planet, we're trying to get together the different KDE initiatives and projects to foresee what KDE software will look like once we've adopted Qt5 and KF5 [1]. I would like to use this e-mail as an invitation to gather

KDE Development on Windows

2014-04-01 Thread Aleix Pol
Hi! As you hopefully saw on the planet, we're trying to get together the different KDE initiatives and projects to foresee what KDE software will look like once we've adopted Qt5 and KF5 [1]. I would like to use this e-mail as an invitation to gather what's the thoughts on the initiative from the