Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Ströder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> (If you use Firefox, you don't have to actually be a member of the >> domain; you can use a different mechanism for getting Kerberos tickets, >> such as NIM.) > What is NIM? Network Identity Manager, although properly speaking

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you read the whole thread you'd know I'm only talking about the > *IntrAnet* scenario. With SPNEGO you do not type in a passwords at all > whereas with WebAuth you might need to. You're making a bogus comparison. If you don't have to type in pas

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If by "better" you mean "pretty much the same," yes, modulo the >> configuration note that I mentioned. > No, I definitely meant "better". > With direct SPNEGO we 401 the i

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael B Allen
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Christopher D. Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> With Plexcel we can do SPNEGO, check group membership (we extract the >> group SIDs from the PAC), app-level access to basic user info and a >> get TGT without talking to a third party at all. The time between the

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Christopher D. Clausen
Michael B Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>> And that is the scenario where direct SPNEGO / NTLMSSP solutions are >>> going to perform better. >> >> If by "better" you mean "pretty much the same," yes, modulo the >> conf

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael B Allen
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And that is the scenario where direct SPNEGO / NTLMSSP solutions are >> going to perform better. > > If by "better" you mean "pretty much the same," yes, modulo the > configuration note that I mentioned. No, I definitely m

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Ströder
Russ Allbery wrote: > (If you use > Firefox, you don't have to actually be a member of the domain; you can use > a different mechanism for getting Kerberos tickets, such as NIM.) What is NIM? Ciao, Michael. Kerberos mailing list Kerberos@

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, no, they're double sign-on because the central server usually has >> to prompt you for a password. But if the central server implements >> Negotiate-Auth and the brows

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael B Allen
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> and, more important, they do not give you true single-sign-on >> behavior. They're more like "double sign on" because you have to login >> to a central server and they get red

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For example, you mentioned WebAuth and CoSign. Both of these solutions > are really targeted for highly heterogeneous environments like > University networks where the only client requirement is that the > browser support cookies. So it works on the

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Sharad Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks Russ. > >> Given your platform constraints and desire to avoid Active Directory, I >> think Cosign is definitely your best option. However, I believe that >> you will need a UNIX server to run the Cosign login daemon, even though >> you can use I

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Ströder
Sharad Desai wrote: >> You may want to search for SPNEGO and mod_auth_kerb. Windows IE and IIS >> have SPNEGO built in, and can use the Kerberos in Active Directory. >> Apache can use mod_auth_kerb that supports SPNEGO. With FireFox 2 on any >> platform >> see the about:config and the network.negot

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Sharad Desai
Oops, let me clarify that last post. After reading it, it sounds as if I am telling you to look for those resources, which is totally the opposite, I apologize :). I meant to ask if it was even theoretically possible to adapt the cron jobs to run off of IIS instead of a Unix server. On 7/17/08,

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Sharad Desai
Thanks Russ. >Given your platform constraints and desire to avoid Active Directory, I >think Cosign is definitely your best option. However, I believe that you >will need a UNIX server to run the Cosign login daemon, even though you >can use IIS for specific web applications. I could be wrong, s

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Sharad Desai
Thanks Mike for your response. >For example, you mentioned WebAuth and CoSign. Both of these solutions >are really targeted for highly heterogeneous environments like >University networks where the only client requirement is that the >browser support cookies. So it works on the IntrAnet, the IntEr

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Michael B Allen
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Sharad Desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks for your responses. > >> You may want to search for SPNEGO and mod_auth_kerb. Windows IE and IIS >> have SPNEGO built in, and can use the Kerberos in Active Directory. >> Apache can use mod_auth_kerb that

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
"Sharad Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, (I'm not sure how familiar people are with Cosign) since Cosign > transforms Kerberos authentication to a cookie-based authentication > which the browsers can use, I was wondering if you have had any > experience with this. Given your platform co

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Sharad Desai
Hello, Thanks for your responses. > You may want to search for SPNEGO and mod_auth_kerb. Windows IE and IIS > have SPNEGO built in, and can use the Kerberos in Active Directory. > Apache can use mod_auth_kerb that supports SPNEGO. With FireFox 2 on any platform > see the about:config and the netw

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Javier Palacios
>> I wanted to use Kerberos to authenticate the user. After research, I >> thought this would make sense. I saw some suggestions using CoSign or >> WebAuth. I can't use WebAuth because it is only for Linux, and CoSign is >> written for Apache (but there are ISAPI filters i guess for IIS) and I a

Re: SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Douglas E. Engert
Sharad Desai wrote: > Hi All, > > I was actually interested in implementing a web SSO solution for my > environment. I have five applications -- all web applications, so a web SSO > is needed -- and three run off of Windows, while the other two are Unix and > Linux. Since they are web apps, it

SSO

2008-07-17 Thread Sharad Desai
Hi All, I was actually interested in implementing a web SSO solution for my environment. I have five applications -- all web applications, so a web SSO is needed -- and three run off of Windows, while the other two are Unix and Linux. Since they are web apps, it won't matter from where they are