MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-09 Thread Sandeep
Hi all, I am kinda new to Kerberos, but I have read that one of the biggest drawbacks of Kerberos is that the passwords need to be stored cleartext on the master server, a BIG security risk.. Just like Unix passwords are never stored cleartext, but always hashed, why not do the same thing with K

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-09 Thread Christopher Burke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sandeep) wrote in news:b04cb7e1.0202090859.3d9370b3 @posting.google.com: > I am kinda new to Kerberos, but I have read that one of the biggest > drawbacks of Kerberos is that the passwords need to be stored > cleartext on the master server, a BIG security risk.. > I don't thi

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-09 Thread Marcus Watts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sandeep) writes: > Hi all, > > I am kinda new to Kerberos, but I have read that one of the biggest > drawbacks of Kerberos is that the passwords need to be stored > cleartext on the master server, a BIG security risk.. > > Just like Unix passwords are never stored cleartext, b

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-10 Thread Ken Hornstein
>(6) Salts have some interesting properties. In Unix, the salt is generally > regarded as a "secret", which can be securely commmunicated to > the login application. In Kerberos, the salt is public > information. Worse yet, the client doesn't generally have any > good wa

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Sandeep wrote: > Just like Unix passwords are never stored cleartext, but always > hashed, why not do the same thing with Kerberos? Because Kerberos does not actually do password authentication. It sets up a secure link between the two principles. Suppose Alice and Bob want to communicate. T

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Downard
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Marcus Watts wrote: > Here is an incomplete list of weaknesses that you might find more useful > to consider: > (1) Most production kerberos realms still use regular DES and no preauth. > This means they should not be used to protect any secret > worth more than $

Re: MD5 passwords possible with Kerberos?

2002-02-18 Thread Marc Horowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Downard) writes: >> Here's a quote from Tom Wu's paper >> (http://theory.stanford.edu/~tjw/krbpass.html): >> >> "While this is an improvement relative to Kerberos V4, an attacker >> with a network sniffer can still carry out the same off-line >> dictionary attack against