Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-24 Thread Jeffrey Altman
John Hascall wrote: >>> Ubik is an elected-master protocol. All updates go to the master >>> which replicates. If the master goes away, after a while the >>> remaining nodes notice and revote a new master (this can take a while). >>> >>> I'm not sure that model works well with the KDC's single-th

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-24 Thread Ken Hornstein
> You do not. Each transaction can be mastered by whichever > node it starts out on. As soon as it has >50% acks to the > prepare, it can issue the commits. At the same time another > node can be mastering a different transaction. Fair enough; I stand corrected. --Ken _

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-22 Thread Marcus Watts
> Date:Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:52:59 EDT > To: John Hascall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], kerberos@mit.edu > From:Ken Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MIT Incremental Propagation > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 16:08, John Hascal

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread John Hascall
> >Ubik is an elected-master protocol. All updates go to the master > >which replicates. If the master goes away, after a while the > >remaining nodes notice and revote a new master (this can take a while). > > > >I'm not sure that model works well with the KDC's single-threadedness. > > > >I ex

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Ken Hornstein
>Ubik is an elected-master protocol. All updates go to the master >which replicates. If the master goes away, after a while the >remaining nodes notice and revote a new master (this can take a while). > >I'm not sure that model works well with the KDC's single-threadedness. > >I expect a 3-phase

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Donn Cave
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Kevin Coffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/21/07, Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Harris wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a l

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 04:46:40PM -0500, John Hascall wrote: > I'm not sure that model works well with the KDC's single-threadedness. Which, really, should be multi-threaded... Kerberos mailing list Kerberos@mit.edu https://mailman.mit.ed

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread John Hascall
> Yes, that's exactly right. At least, in theory; I haven't tried it. > Using the LDAP back end -- ah, as I see Nico was just saying -- will > get you a common database shared across the KDCs, and leaves the > replication mechanism, if any, to the LDAP administrator. > > Building somethin

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Kevin Coffman
On 9/21/07, John Hascall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John Harris wrote: > > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > > > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile. I don't >

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Ken Raeburn
On Sep 21, 2007, at 16:08, John Hascall wrote: > I haven't studied it all that extensively, > so correct me if I am wrong, but with the > new "DAL" stuff there is now an opportunity > to do a 'proper' job of multi-master KDCs > (dare I say it) in a "ubik-like" or "AD-like" > manner. Yes, that's ex

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:29:16PM -0500, John Hascall wrote: > > There are plenty of LDAP servers suitable for backending the KDC that > > support incremental and/or multi-master replication. > > That, I suppose, depends on your definition of "suitable". > It certainly isn't suitable to me. The

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Nicolas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:54:22PM -0400, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> John Harris wrote: >>> Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include >>> incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there >>> were CITI patches

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Kevin Coffman
On 9/21/07, Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Harris wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile.

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:54:22PM -0400, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > John Harris wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread John Hascall
> > I haven't studied it all that extensively, > > so correct me if I am wrong, but with the > > new "DAL" stuff there is now an opportunity > > to do a 'proper' job of multi-master KDCs > > (dare I say it) in a "ubik-like" or "AD-like" > > manner. > There are plenty of LDAP servers suitable for

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:08:26PM -0500, John Hascall wrote: > > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > > > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile. I don't > > > seem to

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread John Hascall
> John Harris wrote: > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile. I don't > > seem to be able to pinpoint an answer to it. Jeffrey A

Re: MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread Jeffrey Altman
John Harris wrote: > Greetings, > > Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include > incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there > were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile. I don't > seem to be able to pinpoint an answer to it. > > Th

MIT Incremental Propagation

2007-09-21 Thread John Harris
Greetings, Does MIT's current implementation of the Kerberos KDC include incremental propagation? I know it didn't a long time ago, then there were CITI patches for it, then those didn't work for awhile. I don't seem to be able to pinpoint an answer to it. Thanks, John _