Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:14:54PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> That brings up a question though, how often would cloud expect to do a >>> yum update of individual packages as opposed t

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Don Zickus wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:32:55AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:02:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> > If it's _necessary_, that's one thing. I've yet to reall

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:00 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Sandro "red" Mathys > wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:37:42 +0100 >>> Reindl Harald wrote: in general you need to multiply the wasted space for each in

Re: Bluetooth virtual HCI driver ver 1.3

2014-03-06 Thread poma
On 11.01.2014 09:34, poma wrote: > On 10.01.2014 08:57, Paul Bolle wrote: >> On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 04:45 +0100, poma wrote: >>> 3.13.0-0.rc7.git2.2.fc21.x86_64: >>> depmod: ERROR: Module 'hci_vhci' has devname (vhci) but lacks major and >>> minor information. Ignoring. >> >> Also reported a week ag

Re: WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 0 at net/sched/sch_generic.c:264 dev_watchdog+0x276/0x280()

2014-03-06 Thread poma
... After a few dozen tests with the vanilla commits, and with the same amount of rawhide kernels ... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=871694 Dan, Francois you are both welcome with comments! Thanks. poma ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lis

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:14:54PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> That brings up a question though, how often would cloud expect to do a >> yum update of individual packages as opposed to just updating the >> entire image? If we expect the 3 ke

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:14:54PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > That brings up a question though, how often would cloud expect to do a > yum update of individual packages as opposed to just updating the > entire image? If we expect the 3 kernel magic to work there, then Unless we jump into Colin's

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:10:46PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > I think Josh is mostly there. He has 58MB + 5M vmlinuz + >> > firmwre. >> Firmware is owned by linux-firmware, not the kernel package. I didn't >> include it in my kernel num

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:10:46PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > I think Josh is mostly there. He has 58MB + 5M vmlinuz + > > firmwre. > Firmware is owned by linux-firmware, not the kernel package. I didn't > include it in my kernel numbers for that reason. Currently, this is required by the ker

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.03.2014 19:14, schrieb Josh Boyer: > That brings up a question though, how often would cloud expect to do a > yum update of individual packages as opposed to just updating the > entire image? in the best case you do the same as i do on our "private cloud" install once and then upgrade for

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:33:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Right. When I said I had kernel-core and kernel-drivers, I wasn't >> being theoretical. I already did the work in the spec file to split >> it into kernel-core and kernel-drive

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Don Zickus wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:32:55AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:02:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > If it's _necessary_, that's one thing. I've yet to really see any data >> > backing up necessity on any of this

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.03.2014 18:04, schrieb Don Zickus: > Maybe impose only xfs as the fs of choice or some other restrictions and > chop it further, but then we lose flexibility hopefully a joke :-) * i use a ton of virtual Fedora instances * any of them is using ext4 * some may benefit from XFS but not that

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Don Zickus
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:32:55AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:02:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > If it's _necessary_, that's one thing. I've yet to really see any data > > backing up necessity on any of this at all though. Right now it seems > > to be sitting in t

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:02:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > If it's _necessary_, that's one thing. I've yet to really see any data > backing up necessity on any of this at all though. Right now it seems > to be sitting in the "nice to have" category. For the record, it is _literally_ sitting i

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:33:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > Right. When I said I had kernel-core and kernel-drivers, I wasn't > being theoretical. I already did the work in the spec file to split > it into kernel-core and kernel-drivers. The kernel package becomes a > metapackage that requires

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Don Zickus
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:33:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Don Zickus wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:16:00AM +0900, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > >> That's the point, we want a reasonably small package while still > >> providing the required functionality.

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:04:56AM -0500, Don Zickus wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:38:44AM +0900, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:37:42 +0100 > > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > >> in general you need to multiply the

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Don Zickus wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:16:00AM +0900, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: >> That's the point, we want a reasonably small package while still >> providing the required functionality. Not sure how providing a fixed >> size number is helping in this. Bu

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.03.2014 16:00, schrieb drago01: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Sandro "red" Mathys > wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:37:42 +0100 >>> Reindl Harald wrote: in general you need to multiply the wasted space for each instance >>

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Don Zickus
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:38:44AM +0900, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:37:42 +0100 > > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> in general you need to multiply the wasted space for each instance > > Exactly, you usually have hundreds

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:37:42 +0100 >> Reindl Harald wrote: >>> in general you need to multiply the wasted space for each instance > > Exactly, you usually have hundreds or even tho

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-06 Thread Don Zickus
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:16:00AM +0900, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Don Zickus wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 10:02:17AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Don Zickus wrote: > >> > On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 08:25:12PM +0900, Sandro