Re: Preparing Change Proposal: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud - Feedback?

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 09:52:15PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: >> In the past ~24h, I've been preparing the "Modular Kernel Packaging >> for Cloud" change. Before I submit it to the wrangler, I'm looking for >> everyone's feedback. Note

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:06:21PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > I think the first is preferable; the main case where you get a kernel >> > without the drivers package is when you're building something intended >> > to be small, and going do

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:06:21PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > I think the first is preferable; the main case where you get a kernel > > without the drivers package is when you're building something intended > > to be small, and going downwards isn't the way to really do that. > That protection ne

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:25:48AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: >> Not sure if there's a good fix to this. We'd either limit people to >> only being able to get rid of kernel-drivers with some dancing around >> with different kernel vers

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:25:48AM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > Not sure if there's a good fix to this. We'd either limit people to > only being able to get rid of kernel-drivers with some dancing around > with different kernel versions and some rebooting, etc. Or we allow > people to remove t

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.03.2014 16:25, schrieb Sandro red Mathys: > Oh (#2), and here, dnf actually differs from yum. dnf protects *none* > of the packages. So that's definitely a bug and I'll report it once we > know exactly what behavior we want (so that yum and dnf will do the > same thing) be careful, on the d

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:46:02PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: >>> Yesterday, I updated to Josh's 2.5 kernel, then I removed kernel and >>> kernel-drivers, only leaving

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:46:02PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: >> Yesterday, I updated to Josh's 2.5 kernel, then I removed kernel and >> kernel-drivers, only leaving kernel-core. Today, I again updates, this >> time 3.8 being available

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:46:02PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > Yesterday, I updated to Josh's 2.5 kernel, then I removed kernel and > kernel-drivers, only leaving kernel-core. Today, I again updates, this > time 3.8 being available. Now guess what? The "install instead of > update" magic work

Re: Preparing Change Proposal: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud - Feedback?

2014-03-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 09:52:15PM +0900, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > In the past ~24h, I've been preparing the "Modular Kernel Packaging > for Cloud" change. Before I submit it to the wrangler, I'm looking for > everyone's feedback. Note this is my first change proposal so I might > have misunderst

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 16:42:11 +0900, > > "Sandro \"red\" Mathys" wrote: >> >> >> Okay, I poked around in the yum source, yum docs and kernel packages a >> bit. So yum (and some testing confirms, dnf too) does not check the >> package

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 16:42:11 +0900, "Sandro \"red\" Mathys" wrote: Okay, I poked around in the yum source, yum docs and kernel packages a bit. So yum (and some testing confirms, dnf too) does not check the package names but the provides (obviously, thinking about it). The actual magic bei

Preparing Change Proposal: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud - Feedback?

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
In the past ~24h, I've been preparing the "Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud" change. Before I submit it to the wrangler, I'm looking for everyone's feedback. Note this is my first change proposal so I might have misunderstood things or whatever. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modular_Ker

Re: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud

2014-03-14 Thread Sandro "red" Mathys
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Sandro "red" Mathys wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Matthew Miller >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:33:47AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Right. When I said I had kernel-core and kernel-drive