Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:35:15AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:22:22AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > > What is this for? > > > > efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs > > > > why would the OS need to know anything about the UEFI > > boot loader once it is up an

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On 9/22/21 4:41 AM, FMDF wrote: > What is this for? > > efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs > > why would the OS need to know anything about the UEFI > boot loader once it is up and running? > > > Not from the boot loader, but the OS needs system information from

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On 9/22/21 2:35 AM, Greg KH wrote: > Because there are lots of needed system information that the OS, and > userspace, needs to get from UEFI after the system has booted. OS's shouldn't need anything from a boot loader. That ties the OS to the bootloader completely without need. -- So many immi

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:47:42AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:35:15AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:22:22AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > What is this for? > > > > > > efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs > > > > > > why would th

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:58:55AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > On 9/22/21 2:35 AM, Greg KH wrote: > > Because there are lots of needed system information that the OS, and > > userspace, needs to get from UEFI after the system has booted. > > OS's shouldn't need anything from a boot loader. That t

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:58:55 -0400, Ruben Safir said: > OS's shouldn't need anything from a boot loader. That ties the OS to > the bootloader completely without need. You might want to read Documentation/x86/boot.rst and think about what the OS is expecting to get passed from the boot loader, an

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On 9/22/21 1:04 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > And that's just the *documented* ones. So, as you were saying? Why does it depend on variables from EFI? -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On 9/22/21 1:04 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > You might want to read Documentation/x86/boot.rst and think about what the OS > is expecting to get passed from the boot loader, and then think about how you > would deal with the situation if that information wasn't passed along. Link? FWIW, it doe

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On 9/22/21 1:04 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > You might want to read Documentation/x86/boot.rst and think about what the OS > is expecting to get passed from the boot loader, Aside from that, I really just want to know what efi varriables exist and why we have a sys file for them, not a recommen

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Ruben Safir
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 06:07:49PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:47:42AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:35:15AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:22:22AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > What is this for? > > > > > > > > efivarfs

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:02:43PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > On 9/22/21 1:04 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > You might want to read Documentation/x86/boot.rst and think about what the > > OS > > is expecting to get passed from the boot loader, and then think about how > > you > > would deal wi

Re: efivars

2021-09-22 Thread Dave Stevens
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:02:43 -0400 Ruben Safir wrote: > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, on the way -- Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really believe it. Mark Twain