[Kicad-developers] OSX Support for EESchema (still?) experimental?

The reference manual @ http://www.kicad-pcb.org/download/attachments/1212538/eeschema.pdf says that OSX support for EESchema is still experimental. Is this correct? It hasn't been updated in a while (or I'm looking at the old one accidentally?) Thanks all! _

Re: [Kicad-developers] EESchema - multiple tabbed sheets per design, copy/paste between schematic pages

I have noticed another issue - when I place the cursor near the edge of the screen, then use a arrow key to move a screenful, there is a residue left on the screen from the cursor. On Apr 29, 2013 3:02 PM, "Felix Morgner" wrote: > Hi Travis, > > I am currently investigating some drawing issues wh

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:28:56AM +0200, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > >- Squaring (not completely sure about this, correct me if I'm wrong), > > since it exceeds the int dynamic range > (Int32_t * int32_t) fits in uint64_t (that is, > VECTOR2::ecoord_type to make things look cleaner). Look, I hav

Re: [Kicad-developers] Highlithing components with a certain value

Hi Piotr (and others) please find the patch attached, as requested. I've redesigned the "find" dialog a bit and removed the "find next marker" in the DRC dialog again, as I found it's not necessery, as on the same dialog, there is the list of markers available. Have fun Simon -Ursprün

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

On 04/29/2013 09:51 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +0200, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: My 0.001 cent - It's much simpler: just don't use floating point. That what's we try to do when possible, to avoid rounding issues and have better numerical stability (more or

Re: [Kicad-developers] EESchema - multiple tabbed sheets per design, copy/paste between schematic pages

Hi Travis, I am currently investigating some drawing issues when running under OSX. I'm in a very early phase of the investigation, but I'm trying to figure out: 1. why the component (when dragged or moved) "steps aside" a little bit, just to step when one places it 2. why the menubars disappea

[Kicad-developers] EESchema - multiple tabbed sheets per design, copy/paste between schematic pages

Hi all, I'd like to understand where the development of EESchema is, because I'd like tabs for each page of a design and the ability to copy/paste between schematics. Also, I have found a few redraw issues (that I haven't looked into yet). Is there anyone who's working on something similar or som

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

I'm glad that everyone is at least thinking this is a good idea. I know that it is not an easy thing to get going, and the way we head needs to be well thought through, so I'd like brainstorming to go on for some more time so I can get a chance to jot a few more ideas down. Thanks to everyone for

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +0200, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > My 0.001 cent - It's much simpler: just don't use floating point. That what's we try to do when possible, to avoid rounding issues and have better numerical stability (more or less... I'd like that stability would be achieved onl

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

On 04/29/2013 07:08 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: Looking around for angles I noticed a thing... especially when computing distance (like using hypot or a whole sqrt expression), sometimes the result is KiROUND-ed while often a simple (int) truncation is done. Simple example (from the plotting

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:54:02PM +0200, Heiko Rosemann wrote: > It might be in DRC situations - if you want 12mil clearance and > calculate a distance of 11.6mil, the rounding will tell you you're > fine, the truncation will show you are too close. I agree with you > though in that there should b

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 08:08:04PM +0200, Miguel Angel Ajo wrote: > KiCad project is full of awesome developers, you go elsewhere proposing unit > testing, and you > have a 90% chance of hitting people's change rejection…. :) Uhm? Really? Unit testing is a *huge* PITA to set up but in the end it

Re: [Kicad-developers] specctra_export patch to allow nesteted pcb edges

On 04/29/2013 01:22 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Thomas, > > > The keepout polygon you are putting into the DSN file is on a non-existent > layer named > "signal". > > It seems like a freerouter idiosyncrasy that it accepts this. > > Here is the grammar for specctra polygon: > > > (polygon >

Re: [Kicad-developers] specctra_export patch to allow nesteted pcb edges

Thomas, The keepout polygon you are putting into the DSN file is on a non-existent layer named "signal". It seems like a freerouter idiosyncrasy that it accepts this. Here is the grammar for specctra polygon: (polygon { } [(aperture_type [round | square])] ) Here is what you are outputtin

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

KiCad project is full of awesome developers, you go elsewhere proposing unit testing, and you have a 90% chance of hitting people's change rejection…. :) Miguel Angel Ajo http://www.nbee.es (http://www.nbee.es/) +34911407752 skype: ajoajoajo On Monday, 29 de April de 2013 at 19:10, Wayne Stamb

Re: [Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2013 07:08 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > Looking around for angles I noticed a thing... especially when > computing distance (like using hypot or a whole sqrt expression), > sometimes the result is KiROUND-ed while often a simple (int) > tr

Re: [Kicad-developers] I hate even more wxString

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 08:40:06AM +0200, Maciej Suminski wrote: > I had a similar problem - it was enough to turn off --enable-stl (or > explicitly add --disable-stl) for wxWidgets library. Unicode > toggling did not change much. Confirmed. It's the --enable-stl that breaks compilation (no idea o

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 4/29/2013 12:38 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: > If we evaluate cppunit, and run into issues when we try to make it > cross platform, I suggest looking at Google Test Framework, which is > like cppunit, but works better with regards to weird compilers. > > Adam Wolf > Wayne and Layne, LLC If it helps, h

Re: [Kicad-developers] CvPcb footprint filtering.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:57:22PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > This makes sense to me. Please let me know if I'm way off base here. > If there are not objections, I will add it to my list. Since these are totally independant conditions I think it should work that way. Especially with connect

[Kicad-developers] Guidelines for KiROUND-ing

Looking around for angles I noticed a thing... especially when computing distance (like using hypot or a whole sqrt expression), sometimes the result is KiROUND-ed while often a simple (int) truncation is done. Simple example (from the plotting routines, where rounding *would* matter for gerbers):

[Kicad-developers] CvPcb footprint filtering.

I've noticed a few bug reports and comments on the developers mailing list recently about the confusing/buggy behavior of the footprint filtering in CvPcb. After using CvPcb while testing my NETLIST_READER changes, I think I understand issue. CvPcb uses three toggle buttons to set the footprint f

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

clang for mac osx, but quite compatible. Miguel Angel Ajo http://www.nbee.es (http://www.nbee.es/) +34911407752 skype: ajoajoajo On Monday, 29 de April de 2013 at 18:44, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:38:57AM -0500, Adam Wolf wrote: > > If we evaluate cppunit, and run

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:38:57AM -0500, Adam Wolf wrote: > If we evaluate cppunit, and run into issues when we try to make it > cross platform, I suggest looking at Google Test Framework, which is > like cppunit, but works better with regards to weird compilers. AFAIK the msvc compiler was ruled

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:27:57AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > So your idea is CPPUnit. CPPUnit seems fine, descending from the old junit framework... from the site seems that the wx support is an addon, not a core feature, so I think it should be experimented on an 'easy' target (like some s

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

If we evaluate cppunit, and run into issues when we try to make it cross platform, I suggest looking at Google Test Framework, which is like cppunit, but works better with regards to weird compilers. Adam Wolf Wayne and Layne, LLC On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Miguel

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

Sorry Dick, didn't realize that we were on a brainstorming process, then please ignore my evaluation to your ideas, and get my uncreative comments about the standard methods for now. Will try to be more creative. Somehow lately I'm forced to stay on more standard methods for a client I work f

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

Miguel, Sorry, I also was evaluating. So I apologize for being hypocritical on that. But you'll notice that I was very careful to remain neutral still at this point, and I was analyzing mostly my own ideas. Still, my bad. You see, brainstorming does take some practice :) I think we'll prob

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

Technically, during the brainstorming process, it is best to gather ideas, and postpone passing judgement on those you have already heard, until the evaluation process, which comes later. There is a theoretical reason why this is not to be done, and it supposedly thwarts creativity. Creativity

Re: [Kicad-developers] specctra_export patch to allow nesteted pcb edges

>> >> Thomas, >> >> Sorry to say that I lost your patch during a computer upgrade. >> >> Can you regenerate something or resend it please. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dick > Dick, > > please find the modifications against pcbnew 4061 in the attached patch file. > > Thomas > Thanks Thomas. I applied t

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

I have the feeling that setting entry points from Python to C, when not needed will be an extra work and harder to maintain. In that case why not just using C++ standard testing frameworks?, like CPPUnit, or something that plays well with wx for UI testing? http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Tools <-- Te

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

> > We could address a) and b) by having a single DLL/DSO specific entrypoint for > all tests, > with a big switch in there to route to the actual test. This scaffolding has > some > maintenance cost, and begins to wash out the ease of using python on top, but > perhaps not > fully. In the p

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

> Yes, it's a good idea and here are my high level $0.02. > > > sig Frank Bennett This is becoming a productive brainstorming session. I'd pay more than $0.02 for that idea Frank. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 04/29/2013 07:51 AM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 04/29/2013 07:45 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 4/28/2013 8:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" mailto:brian.sidebot...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Guys, I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something t

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 04/29/2013 07:45 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 4/28/2013 8:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> >> On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" > > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something that caught my >> eye as it

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 29 April 2013 13:45, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 4/28/2013 8:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > > > > On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something that caught my > >

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 29 April 2013 01:15, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" > wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something that caught my > eye as it's something that's been on my mind for a while: > > > > --

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:43:30AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Attach a bad board file if you want your code review, the sky is falling, C > programmer mentality, bug report, to be perceived as anything but bullshit. Your grammar fails me, or, better I fail to understand you. Maybe my english

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

Hi Brian, I'm working on a gerber/drill file python script. It's for a popular PCB order, where people upload files and then get a few copies of their board a few weeks later. They currently support uploading your Eagle files, and it'll export gerbers and drills from it, and then give you a grap

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 4/29/2013 8:45 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 4/28/2013 8:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> >> On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" > > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something that caught my >> eye as it's

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 28 April 2013 22:19, Miguel Angel Ajo wrote: > I agree that some kind of automated QA tests for the project would be > great, Adam wolf and I > had a conversation about that recently. > > I've seen many projects dramatically increasing quality because of > regression testing. I'm not > sure ho

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On 4/28/2013 8:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2013 10:54 AM, "Brian Sidebotham" > wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'm just catching up with the list, and I saw something that caught my > eye as it's something that's been on my mind for a while: >> >> -

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On Apr 29, 2013 4:21 AM, "Lorenzo Marcantonio" wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02:58AM +0200, jp charras wrote: > > In new code, orientations are (slowly) moved from int to double. to > > allow a better resolution than 0.1 degree, *in the future*. > > > > If the decision to allow more than 0

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02:58AM +0200, jp charras wrote: > In new code, orientations are (slowly) moved from int to double. to > allow a better resolution than 0.1 degree, *in the future*. > > If the decision to allow more than 0.1 degree is taken, dialogs *and > documentation* need to be updat

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

Le 29/04/2013 10:39, Lorenzo Marcantonio a écrit : On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 02:56:47AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: Please state the file and line number please. OK, one example: In PCB_BASE_FRAME::GlobalChange_PadSettings (pcbnew/globaleditpad.cpp) on line 232 pad_orient is computed from the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 02:56:47AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Please state the file and line number please. OK, one example: In PCB_BASE_FRAME::GlobalChange_PadSettings (pcbnew/globaleditpad.cpp) on line 232 pad_orient is computed from the pad orientation and the module orientation. pad_ori

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

On Apr 29, 2013 3:07 AM, "Edwin van den Oetelaar" wrote: > > Just found this paper. > http://swwxguitesting.wefi.net/MPhilThesisChapterSwWxGuiTesting.pdf (about automated gui testing with wx) > I personally think more gui code should move from C++ to python for easy development and interactive tes

Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

Just found this paper. http://swwxguitesting.wefi.net/MPhilThesisChapterSwWxGuiTesting.pdf (about automated gui testing with wx) I personally think more gui code should move from C++ to python for easy development and interactive testing. Keep it going!! Greetings, Edwin van den Oetelaar 2013/4/2

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On 04/29/2013 02:40 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 01:32:40AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> Bullshit. just call the interface with the right argument. Please state the file and line number please. The rest is bullshit. > > Strange for someone that just a few days a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Miscellaneous stuff

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 01:32:40AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Bullshit. just call the interface with the right argument. Strange for someone that just a few days ago lamented for 'too many bugs' in kicad... Sure. *Call* the interface with the *right* argument. The keyword is *call*. It's no