Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-07 Thread Brian Sidebotham
On 4 September 2014 10:03, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > On 09/03/2014 10:36 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> On 9/3/2014 12:33 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >>> I think we could do it in a similar fashion to EESCHEMA (it's a >>> more pleasant experience when things work in a similar way) Any >>> vertexes o

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-06 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 10:11:25AM +0200, jp charras wrote: > Only the board designer can do this kind of change. The board designer then is better fixing his board:P I'm fine with automatic 'plugging' but it should give a message like 'added a segment to fix outline at @,@'; so if you don't care

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-06 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2014 10:11 AM, jp charras wrote: > Le 03/09/2014 18:03, Maciej Sumiński a écrit : >>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński >>> wrote: Healing could be done another way. Instead of moving vertices, it could be bet

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-06 Thread jp charras
Le 03/09/2014 18:03, Maciej Sumiński a écrit : >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński wrote: >>> Healing could be done another way. Instead of moving vertices, >>> it could be better to add the missing segments. If they are no >>> longer than a line thickness, then it is not

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-04 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/03/2014 10:36 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 9/3/2014 12:33 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >> I think we could do it in a similar fashion to EESCHEMA (it's a >> more pleasant experience when things work in a similar way) Any >> vertexes on the Edge

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread tiger12506
Excellent suggestions. This seems like a reasonable path forward. I really like the snapping idea as an easy way to close the vertices. I always have to manually go back and use the segment properties to make sure each vertex ends at the same point if I don't get them right the first time. Sho

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 9/3/2014 12:33 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > On 3 September 2014 17:03, Maciej Sumiński wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński wrote: Healing could be done another way. Instead of moving vertices, it

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:56:11PM -0400, Jean-Paul Louis wrote: > The edge.cut layer is a nice addition, but lacks real drawing tools. I wouldn't call it an addition, it's there right from the beginning:P > I do not understand why we have an ARC and CIRCLE drawing tool, but no > RECTANGLE tool.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Jean-Paul Louis
The edge.cut layer is a nice addition, but lacks real drawing tools. I do not understand why we have an ARC and CIRCLE drawing tool, but no RECTANGLE tool. That would make life a lot easier. Creating a rectangle with a polyline tool is always a pain if you use a small grid. I would really like a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 05:33:09PM +0100, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > I don't think there's any reason to have disconnected vertexes on the > Edge.Cuts layer is there? Perhaps for drawing a rout line, but then I > draw a rectangle with the correct width of the router bit I want used > so it is less a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Brian Sidebotham
On 3 September 2014 17:03, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński wrote: >>> Healing could be done another way. Instead of moving vertices, >>> it could be better to add the missing segments. If they a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński wrote: >> Healing could be done another way. Instead of moving vertices, >> it could be better to add the missing segments. If they are no >> longer than a line thickness, then it is not notic

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0200, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > I have never tried to order a T-shaped cut. What is the exact issue > with that? I am wondering if it is still a real problem if the > protruding part was within the Edge.Cuts line thickness (let's say 0.1 > mm). The problem is not

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-03 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/03/2014 08:54 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > Pondered some more about the issue. > > Accepting the edges within a tolerance doesn't seem to be a good > solution... explanation: > > When generating gerbers/specctra/IDF whatever they want the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
Pondered some more about the issue. Accepting the edges within a tolerance doesn't seem to be a good solution... explanation: When generating gerbers/specctra/IDF whatever they want the 'true vertices' to make, essentially a toolpath. And that must be valid and manufacturable; for example given a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 03:06:25PM -0700, Cirilo Bernardo wrote: > I have suggested a solution for this before, but my proposal does break > previous behavior and will require changes in many parts of the source. How could break previous behaviour when previous behaviour is not present? *Convertin

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Cirilo Bernardo
- Original Message - > From: jp charras > To: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor > > Le 02/09/2014 18:57, Wayne Stambaugh a écrit : &g

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread jp charras
Le 02/09/2014 20:16, Maciej Sumiński a écrit : > On 09/02/2014 08:04 PM, jp charras wrote: >> Orson, Be careful with Edge.Cuts layer in modules. If they are >> not currently allowed, this is because I have a good reason. > >> In specctra export, and therefore in 3d viewer, we *need* a >> closed po

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2014 08:04 PM, jp charras wrote: > Orson, Be careful with Edge.Cuts layer in modules. If they are not > currently allowed, this is because I have a good reason. > > In specctra export, and therefore in 3d viewer, we *need* a closed > polygo

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread jp charras
Le 02/09/2014 18:57, Wayne Stambaugh a écrit : > On 9/1/2014 5:48 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: >> It has been already a few weeks since the GAL module editor has been >> merged. Among the introduced changes, there is support for Edge.Cuts >> layer in modules. >> As I have not received any bug reports

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 12:57:28PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > I fine with it. I think have board edges in footprints makes sense. Already discussed to death in the past why it's useful and what are the problems... just check that the edges are collected when building the outline for export/d

Re: [Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-02 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 9/1/2014 5:48 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > It has been already a few weeks since the GAL module editor has been > merged. Among the introduced changes, there is support for Edge.Cuts > layer in modules. > As I have not received any bug reports related to the feature, does > anyone mind if I remo

[Kicad-developers] Edge.Cuts layer in the module editor

2014-09-01 Thread Maciej Sumiński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It has been already a few weeks since the GAL module editor has been merged. Among the introduced changes, there is support for Edge.Cuts layer in modules. As I have not received any bug reports related to the feature, does anyone mind if I remove the