Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-04 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2010 11:36 PM, Vesa Solonen wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > >> I have weeks of work left on pcbnew as it stands anyway. > > Any chances for a preliminary pach with some functionality? I bet > everyone is drooling a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Vesa Solonen
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: I have weeks of work left on pcbnew as it stands anyway. Any chances for a preliminary pach with some functionality? I bet everyone is drooling after the features you described ;) At least it seems that opposition is very quiet... -Vesa

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2010 01:22 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: >> Please note that I haven't said a thing about modern high speed design >> (mostly because I don't have experience in them). A good autorouter >> co

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Brian F. G. Bidulock
Lorenzo, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > You're right. I'm doing the analysis component by component, you have to > be patient :D Thank you very much for your effort. I'll leave you to it. I have weeks of work left on pcbnew as it stands anyway. --brian

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Looking at an entry for a BGA below (wrapped) from BGA7351B.plb09 Ahem... I've only done CHP component till now :D Many of the XML'ish attributes appear self-explanatory: (all decimal units appear to be in MM, and integer units are 10 nanometer

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Brian F. G. Bidulock
Lorenzo, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > Look around and you'll see that most people don't actually use > autorouters (unless for unimportant tracks, like led lines). Most of my > work is mixed signal (in industry) so good luck telling your 'average' > autorouter to: 1) drop pow

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Brian F. G. Bidulock
Vesa, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Vesa Solonen wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > > >The next big feature for pcbnew should be a track pusher/shover. I want > >it :D Sadly I have *no idea* on how it could be implemented. > > Kicadocaml may be an usable example http://code.google

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Brian F. G. Bidulock
Lorenzo, Looking at an entry for a BGA below (wrapped) from BGA7351B.plb09 BGA;1;0 1 4 1 4 1 26 3 7 1 3 1 3 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 3 1 7 3 26 1 4 1 4 1;0;5;11;5;11;100;3;0;0;0;60;60;60; 60;10 BGA100C50P11X11_600X600X100 BGA,0.50mm pitch,square;1

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-02 Thread Vesa Solonen
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: The next big feature for pcbnew should be a track pusher/shover. I want it :D Sadly I have *no idea* on how it could be implemented. Kicadocaml may be an usable example http://code.google.com/p/kicadocaml/ If Alfons ever publishes his freeroute s

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Do you know of any place where the V2009 (*.plb09) or earlier V6 (*.plb) file formats are documented? Or, anybody willing to reverse-engineer the format? No, it's not public. It seems that it's si

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Do you know of any place where the V2009 (*.plb09) or earlier V6 (*.plb) file formats are documented? Or, anybody willing to reverse-engineer the format? No, it's not public. It seems that it's simply a csv with the ipc parameters encoded in a '

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: No, but I did write much more complex stuff (with tons of college-level physics equations) in a couple of hours with Lyx. Try and beat that. Wait, you probably will. :-p I don't know... I only skimmed the 'Higher Math' chapter in the LaTeX Companion. Orcad s

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2010 06:15 AM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Check Oyvind's library on kicad-newlib. You might find that his components are very good, and thus save yourself a lot of trouble. Alex -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Lin

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Brian F. G. Bidulock
Lorenzo, On Wed, 01 Sep 2010, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > You can see the little diagram in the IPC-7251 working draft which is > freely downloadable online at > > http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.aspx?Committee=1-13 > I happen to have a bunch of .plb09 library files (all of the surface mou

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2010 08:20 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: >> No. From the datasheets, I thought it was 10 seconds. Actually _every_ >> datasheet I have ever read states 10 seconds @260C . > > So? 10 seconds are at least 3:D and it needs only to survive 255C,

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: If the probe is flying because I threw it, it will most likely miss even a 10mm test point. You can see the little diagram in the IPC-7251 working draft which is freely downloadable online at http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.aspx?Committee=1-13 it seems th

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2010 06:19 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: > >> I like the idea of applying this idea to PCB design. :) > > It all goes down to quality assurance (which is statistics at > 90%!). Nobody forbid to have a tes

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: I like the idea of applying this idea to PCB design. :) It all goes down to quality assurance (which is statistics at 90%!). Nobody forbid to have a test point of 0,5mm, but there's a graph static that in a run there is a 50% probability that it would be misse

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2010 04:49 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: > >> Thanks!!! This should prove very useful. I like their idea with the RMS >> sum for tolerances. > > It's actually a rule from statistic... summing the whole to

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Alex G wrote: Thanks!!! This should prove very useful. I like their idea with the RMS sum for tolerances. It's actually a rule from statistic... summing the whole tolerances is the `worst case' method. If (and only then) the tolerance have gaussian distribution (and since w

Re: [Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Alex G
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2010 01:01 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > I've done some summary work and a worked out example. > > You can find it here: > http://www.logossrl.com/ipc7351a-impl/ipc7351a-impl.pdf > (for the LaTeX source, just use the .tex extension). It sh

[Kicad-developers] Tutorial about IPC-7531A

2010-09-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
I've done some summary work and a worked out example. You can find it here: http://www.logossrl.com/ipc7351a-impl/ipc7351a-impl.pdf (for the LaTeX source, just use the .tex extension). It should be stay here indefinitely (unless Bad Stuff(tm) happens), so you can link it with a blueprint or somet