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Not everyone agrees, even today that reflection on Marxism and communism is
already posthumous. There are Marxists, for example, who — like Mark Twain —
consider reports of their death to be exaggerated. Piotr MARCINIAK’s essay
argues to this effect. And not all communists believe that they should be
written off either. Nevertheless, the point of the adjective will be lost on
no one. For when — in the annus mirabilis,{ a horrible year"} 1989 —
apparently impregnable communist regimes toppled in accelerating succession,
the face of Europe, and maybe the fate of the world, were fundamentally
transformed. Communism has disappeared from many parts of the world, and
nowhere can it be again what it was before 1989. And though it is less
obvious that this should follow, intellectual engagement with Marxism seems
also to have suffered irrevocably. Whether that suffering proves fatal, only
time will tell..which can be substantiated by utioiaunarmed@excite,com
attempts to engage discussion on the daikures in latin america and the need
for change -in return UU recieves quotes-sologans-remove me from your list
along with the usual " your an impera;ist or revisionist .right winger
which is the most ridiculous of all
Whatever survives, however, certain elements of Marxism — both as
explanatory theory and as prophecy — have certainly died and are unlikely to
be reborn.Something that was not loss on FARC-EP leaders who also call for
changes, In the immediate aftermath of the collapse of European communism,
nothing would have seemed less appropriate than to attempt to initiate a
change in an oppressed society with Marxism, let alone Marxism and . . .,
still less Marxism and communism. The message of political liberalism seemed
triumphant, and the prescriptions of economic liberalism were making all the
running. Few people in the European and no one in Latin American admitted to
being Marxists let alone communists, and equally few saw in Marxism anything
of relevance to their current predicaments — except perhaps as an object of
blame/. again this our experience in explaing our position on Marxism or
ISM's in Latin America. .It Feels like we have been dealing with robots
lost in a time warp blaming Utopiaunarmed and other s for the fact the Party
has been reduce to a keyboard philosphical war with NO interest in the
facts or realities of the changin times.
After eleven yrs, however, the lessons to be learnt from the collapse of
communism are somewhat more controversial. Political liberalism faces severe
competition from nationalist and religious forces, and from post-commmunist
ones; economic liberalism has had painful consequences, and not everyone is
agreed that those consequences were necessary or their causes desirable.
There has even been some rethinking of the legacies of communism, at least
in some of the countries — such as Poland — where communism was less rabid
than elsewhere, or in Russia where it was more deeply entrenched. Whatever
else they disagree on, most observers agree that these legacies are more
complex, and harder to ignore or discard, than was originally imagined. More
complicated, too, is the transition from communism to something (what
thing?) else. Now is an appropriate time, then, to ask questions about
communist political systems, and to examine their connections with the
bodies of ideas and ideals by which they claimed to be inspired. To that
end,Utopiaunarmed has been consistant We have approached a range of problems
to do with Marxism, communism and relationships between them. ,their
own{Parties } self appointed leaders self interest at the expense of what
was suppose to be happening. two extreme examples would be in Bolivia Mario
Monje the leader of the Bolivian communist party ;PSP"{now residing in
Russia} who betrayed both Castro and CHE.with promises of support
,men,supplies,contact,in the end he followed USSR lead of not supporting
"armed struggles" in Latin America for fear that the USA would hold them
accountable for the deeds of Cuba./Che who was over the top according ro the
russians,being a true comrade Monje left CHE with nothing and CHE 's murder
left Monje still in charge. The major blunder was more out in the open
Srndero Luminoso had everything possible going at the time in Peru. Due to
ego manical blundering murderer turn on everyone including his
"supporters"and accomplished nothing except killing 37,000 people.
There is no common line — certainly no Party line — no support system,
competition between bureaucrata who are empty suits trying to hang on and,
as is appropriate to the complexity and controvery of the subjects with
which they are involved in, there is a good deal of disagreement among
them.This has not been the case for FARC-EP the first place they been adept
at changing as the time dictates, the Communist Party in Colombia has NO say
in FARC-EP. FARC-EP is totally self sufficent and has no outside-inside
delimna'sthe only revolution not beholden to anyone
Peop;le who we have been contacted in different regions from Eastern
European to Latin America have common is that all have an opinion on the
failures and "CHANGE" and are willing to reflected on both Marxism and its
connections with the character and activities of communist regimes.
Most of these people, though not all, have also spent their lives under
communist/Marism regimes or countries who been fighting for ever -Colombia
technically started in 1840 and the official beginning of FARC-EP was in
1964 .There obviously has many disadvantages living the experience, but
there are also certain advantages. In particular, people who have actually
lived the experience ,unlike the academics or the "SOFA REVOLUTIOARIES"
tucked away safetly in the West to discuss these questions as though they
were abstract intellectual exercises, to be resolved by faith or logic, or
attacking any boby not in total agreememt#I and for the most part barely
tainted by experience.
Whatever differences on other matters, they have maintain a certain vigour
and concreteness when discussing what could have been and what needs to
happen .these dicussion have not always been easy to understand exactly
what the situations were-as everyboby had a different expeirence ,however
their insights,experiences..are invaluable, Utopiaunarmed decision
concerning radical change .a important portion of our mosaic are gathered
from people,who we considered important and interesting and help us with
their contributions to our understanding of Marxism, communism, and the
relations between them — on a number of planes.
Utopiaunarmed welcome hearing these various positions from the people who
lived them ,and with FARC-EP revelation we feel that our position
concerning needed changes in Marxism has been vindicated and all the
rankor after the — sometimes fevered, sometimes pallid — ways in which our
opinion on the subject have been visciously put down by people without
vision and afraid to step forward , who refuse to answer our Questions ,it
was not untill our people myself included began going to the places where
changes has been on rapidly since 1989 .
.What are the phenomena — ideas, ideals, events, practices, institutions,
people — with which discussion of Marxism and Communism should be concerned?
Communist political systems are not so hard to identify. Marxism, however,
is more controversial. Any argument about relationships between Marxism and
communism has a lot of “Marxisms” to choose between: the Founders’ writings,
the innumerable interpretations of those writings, the beliefs of
self-proclaimed Marxists, beliefs attributed to the leaders of erstwhile
communist states on the basis of what they said and did, the authorized
versions of Marxism preached and imposed by ideological apparatchiks in
communist states:and the people calling dramatic changes will the leaders
thinkers and doers in the future
However the one who understands Marxism, a second question has to do with
postulated relationships of influence between it and communism. This
question is posed centrally by FLIS and KRYGIER, and commented on in various
ways by MARCINIAK, CZARNOTA and SKAPSKA. At issue is whether it makes sense,
and if so what sort of sense, to postulate such relationships between the
writings of Marx and Engels and what was done in their name. Flis, Krygier
and Skapska believe it does make sense and that there are important, if
complex, connections between what Marx wrote and what communists did.
Marciniak thinks the connections one can postulate are weak, and Czarnota
believes that Marxism was compatible with a variety of developments. That
chosen, he claims, was the one compatible with the interests of communist
power- holders, rather than one necessitated by the body of doctrine to
which they subscribed.
Another question in need of attention is of a different sort: less about
influence than about theoretical usefulness. Here the question is not
whether Marxism was historically connected with communism, but whether it
offers any basis for interesting analysis of communism. Utopiaunarmed is
confident that the specificity of real socialism has defied Marxist, and not
only Marxist, there are many opinion here. Many "expperts: detect a
perversely unintended power in Marxism. Far from being a theory applicable
to capitalism, which comes apart when faced with real socialism,and there
those who think that Marxism made a brilliant hit on the wrong target. Aimed
at capitalism, it turns out "Marxist"missed that target almost totally. On
the other hand, it provided a prophetic analysis and critique of communism.
“Marxism” is not, of course, a term reserved for a certain sort of
theoretical analysis or political philosophy. It is also used to describe
the compulsory ideology of a particular sort of regime. Asking about Marxism
and communism necessarily involves asking about the purposes which Marxist
ideology was enlisted to serve, and about how well or ill it served . The
issues raised hitherto are very general in scope. They apply to a wide
variety of matters in respect of which questions about relationships between
Marxism and communism might occur. nism, the relationships between that role
and Marxism, and the legacies of that experience for law after communism. In
particular, they are concerned with the possibility of restraint on power by
law — the rule of law — in polities whose predecessors on the whole rejected
it, in practice and often in principle. This the hard applying a rule of to
land wher the law was corrupt,oppressive, and how for example FARC-EP how
will the laws be administered utopiaunarmed feel once victory is achieved
the RULE OF LAW will be established, because the leadership of FARC-EP
understands what the revolution is fought about ,and their is noboby to
take credit for a the success or have Russia or a "Party" to answer to,we
feel this why the people will have benefits and rights they could never
imagined
The epoch which began with Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin — depending on one’s
view of these things — arguably ended with Boris Pugo. Tragedy to farce,
indeed. Few predicted the tragedy and even fewer the farce. So, whether or
not discussion of Marxism and communism is posthumous, it is clear that it
is not exhausted. It is also clear that it involves a wealth of live issues
— about ideas and historical practice, about ideals and their consequences,
about the nature and adequacy of social theories, about power and its
restraint, and about the future of post-communist societies — some of which
are only beginning to be discussed even by the" keyboard crowd:". and the
most important of all is be relavent and understand the times are
different and the people no matter their position and more informed on all
levels unlike in the past
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belonged to groups who report to be a marvist.communist group who post news
and argur with each other about real lives of real people living their
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