Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Dave Acklam via KRnet
The record of Dynon and similar seems to conflict with the idea that the PMA/TSO/STC process makes anything safer... Expensive and outdated, sure... Safer, no... Right now there are a host of perfectly safe avionics products I can legally install in the KR I'm building... That are illegal if used

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Randall Smith via KRnet
According to a lot of people only rich people fly anyway. I maintain my 47 Bellanca cruiseair and My 79 Cessna 310. My AP helps me when I need help on things that take two people my IA and I have known each other for 30 years and he signs off my work. There are mechanics that will work with peop

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Mike T via KRnet
I wish American owners had the same option! The restricted list of things an owner can do under Part 43 and the requirement to have an A&P do everything else will eventually make owning an older certificated airplane unaffordable to anyone who's not rich (and to some extent that may already be tru

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Dave Acklam via KRnet
Canadian Owner-Maintained certificated aircraft cannot (They have a reg that lets them dispense with approved parts, STCs, and A&P-only work on older certificated aircraft... But as a result those planes can only fly in Canada)... If it gets to the point where US rules are too permissive, other co

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Tommy Waymack via KRnet
Yes it does make aviation safer to require aircraft be manufactured and maintained by competent individuals using approved methods and materials.Tommy W. On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:01 AM Randall Smith via KRnet < krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote: > > Canadian home built can fly in the US. I have a nei

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Randall Smith via KRnet
Canadian home built can fly in the US. I have a neighbor flying a South Africa registration on a glassair here in the states. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Dave Acklam via KRnet > wrote: > > People who fly internationally - for the same reason owner-maintained > Canadia

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-12-12 Thread Dave Acklam via KRnet
People who fly internationally - for the same reason owner-maintained Canadian aircraft can't leave Canada. Other countries wouldn't recognize the airworthiness of such aircraft. Really that is where GA needs to go to survive: Certificated aircraft for international and commercial flying, everythi

Re: KR> 51% Rule

2018-10-07 Thread Mike T via KRnet
I think AVweb was the site that reported that the FAA was going to extend the deadline for ADS-B, which turned out to be a hoax. I'll believe they're scrapping the 51% rule when I read it in Flying Magazine or Kitplanes. At any rate, if a factory could build experimental planes and do an end run

KR> 51% Rule

2018-10-07 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
I just read again today on Avweb that the FAA is doing away with the 51% rule, leaving the door open for Steve Glover to produce fully-built KR's and sell them as off-the-shelf airplanes - either as Experimentals or LSA's - I don't know enough about LSA's to say which category will be appropriate.

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net
Randy The 51% rule only applies to the actual construction of the kit or aircraft in question. It is what separates a factory built aircraft kit from an amateur built kit. The rules concerning being approved for repairman certificate are left more on the judgement of the Airworthiness Represent

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Powell
Colin, Thank you for the information. There seems to be a large gray area on this subject. Randy

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Brian Kraut
l Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:43 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> 51% Rule Randy The 51% rule only applies to the actual construction of the kit or aircraft in question

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Powell
: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: RE: KR> 51% Rule > Colin brings up an interresting point that I had previously clarified with > an FAA inspector a few years ago. When you have a homebuilt you can do > all > of the repairs

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread D F Lively
> Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:43 AM > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: KR>

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread AUnderwood
happens and you or your estate are in court and someone is sueing.Its better to to it right to start with. -Original Message- >From: Brian Kraut >Sent: Jul 25, 2006 10:10 PM >To: KRnet >Subject: RE: KR> 51% Rule > >Colin brings up an interresting point that I h

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Pat Driscoll
David, If you don't start now, in ten years, you will be ten years older and still not have an airplane. I turned 70 last March and I started on my KR last fall and have been too busy to do anything on it yet this year but I am not going to quit until it is finished and I will fly it. Pat Drisco

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread AUnderwood
AMEN -Original Message- >From: Pat Driscoll >Sent: Jul 25, 2006 11:43 PM >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR> 51% Rule > >David, If you don't start now, in ten years, you will be ten years older and >still not have an airplane. I turned 70 last March and I sta

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net
eally does depend on it! Have a good day, Colin > > From: "Randy Powell" > Date: 2006/07/25 Tue PM 09:09:49 EDT > To: "KRnet" > Subject: Re: KR> 51% Rule > > Colin, Thank you for the information. There seems to be a large gray > area on this

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 10:29 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote: >As far as working on it without a reparmen certificate goes. If you >don't have one for the airplane in question, legally the only work >you can do is the same work that an owner of a certified plane can >do. And the repairmans certificate is for just that one

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Powell
Pat, You have a point. Thank you for the unique insight. Randy Powell - Original Message - From: "Pat Driscoll" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: KR> 51% Rule > David, If you don't start now, in ten years, you will be t

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Powell
Message - From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: KR> 51% Rule > Hey Randy > The 51% rule if you notice is always applied to a kit. If over 50% is > assisted by assemblies or professional assistance, then it is manufactured > not a

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Powell
Underwood" ; "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: RE: KR> 51% Rule > At 10:29 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote: >>As far as working on it without a reparmen certificate goes. If you >>don't have one for the airplane in question, legally the o

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread larry severson
At 06:09 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote: >Colin, Thank you for the information. There seems to be a large gray >area on this subject. No. The FAA has a very specific checklist of items evaluated in generating the 51%. Time used does not figure in the calculation, only % of checklist items done by t

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net
verson > Date: 2006/07/27 Thu PM 09:08:37 EDT > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> 51% Rule > > At 06:09 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote: > >Colin, Thank you for the information. There seems to be a large gray > >area on this subject. > > No. The FAA has a very specif

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread larry severson
>"The Amateur Builder(s) must be able to show that they have >performed at least 60 of the 119 operations (in the case of a >fixed-wing aircraft) in order to qualify for the repairman >certificate, and to register their aircraft in the experimental category. I did not list the specific numbers

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread D F Lively
Larry: Where do I go to get the List? I assume it is available on the Net. so I am just trying to "Shorten" the search. Don Lively Burlington IA 52601 larry severson wrote: > >"The Amateur Builder(s) must be able to sho

KR> 51% Rule

2008-10-12 Thread Ameet Savant
Don and others, Everything you need to know about amateur-built aircraft and corresponding regulations is at http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/ Particularly, http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/amateur_regs/ talks about the regulations of cer