Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-06-01 Thread Ryan Quackenbush
Justin: I’m sorry to hear you had trouble signing up, initially. Currently, we’re using K8sPort.org to request the registration. By requesting at that site, a few folks are automatically notified and can send you an invite through the hub, itself. The “instant signup” was discussed, early o

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-06-01 Thread Ryan Quackenbush
Justin: I’m sorry to hear you had trouble signing up, initially. Currently, we’re using K8sPort.org to request the registration. By requesting at that site, a few folks are automatically notified and can send you an invite through the hub, itself. The “instant signup” was discussed, early on, b

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-31 Thread quacken1983
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:34:31 AM UTC-4, Justin Santa Barbara (FathomDB) wrote: > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:13:39 AM UTC-4, Brian Grant wrote: > > > > > Are there thing we could do to improve k8sport adoption? Would k8sport and 21 > compete for people to accomplish the same task

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-31 Thread Justin Santa Barbara
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:13:39 AM UTC-4, Brian Grant wrote: > > > Are there thing we could do to improve k8sport adoption? Would k8sport and > 21 compete for people to accomplish the same tasks? > > I haven't been able to get an invite to k8sport. Digging out the debugging tools, it look

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-30 Thread
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:45 PM, 'Tim Hockin' via Kubernetes Maintainers < kubernetes-maintain...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks wrote: > > Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is > > worthy in the face of the challenges

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-30 Thread
+Contributor Experience On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:13 AM, wrote: > So what I was basically trying to say Daniel and Tim is that I believe > this matter is much more complex than a binary good/bad switch. > > > Something I wanted to do but fell off my plate is to set up a kube > "janitors" effort.

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-30 Thread
Ahh, yeah, we need so surge effort to bootstrap On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Alexis Richardson wrote: > To be clear: I agree with you about funds and incentives. > > I was referring to your on ramps issue (set out below in your email). > > Would some kind of "all hands work fest" be a way to

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-30 Thread Alexis Richardson
To be clear: I agree with you about funds and incentives. I was referring to your on ramps issue (set out below in your email). Would some kind of "all hands work fest" be a way to create the on ramps? It seems like there is a huge barrier to progress otherwise. If everyone* could down tools for

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-30 Thread
I worry that this will DISINCENTIVIZE janitors. People who would do it for the love of cleaning up a mess, will now see it as a low-paying job, or won't work without funds. I think the strongest drivers of work are identity (intrinsic) and recognition (extrinsic) - "I am a Kubernetes Janitor" and

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-29 Thread Alexis Richardson
Tim Could solving this issue also lead to movement on the "janitors" type initiatives that Lucas says have worked for Linux? In general, how can areas that need love/work get advertised/resourced while staying within the norms of the community? Alexis On Tue, 30 May 2017, 04:09 'Tim Hockin' v

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-29 Thread
I'm not against trying it, I just have my own predictions. I agree with Aronchick - the biggest issue we have is not that we need more people - we need better (more actionable) bugs, we need onramps, we guidance and reviews, and we need to make contributing hurt less (rebases, verify and update sc

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-28 Thread
Ok - broadly, I love the experiment, and am supportive of trying it out. That said, I'm not sure there's any evidence that we lack people, or the people lack time/motivation, to contribute. Money/extrinsic rewards feels like it's trying to solve the wrong problem. From everyone I've talked to, it'

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-28 Thread lucas
So what I was basically trying to say Daniel and Tim is that I believe this matter is much more complex than a binary good/bad switch. > Something I wanted to do but fell off my plate is to set up a kube "janitors" effort. This has been pretty effective in the Linux kernel, finding ways for pe

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-28 Thread lucas
Thanks for the feedback Tim and Daniel As a independent contributor (+more) working on Kubernetes "for the greater good" for more than two years I want to say a couple of words: First it should be stated that we're not in control of whether person A wants to pay person B for getting a question

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread Joseph Jacks
Thanks for your feedback, Daniel. My take on this 1999 study you point to is that it has some major flaws when taken into current context: - The world was extremely different when this study was conducted. The sharing economy did not exist. There were only ~195M people on the Internet gl

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread
I agree w/ Tim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect#Volunteering On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Joseph Jacks wrote: > CIL > > On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Tim Hockin wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks wrote: >> > Thanks! I do hear y

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread Joseph Jacks
CIL On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Tim Hockin wrote: > > On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks > wrote: > > Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment > is > > worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why > not > >

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks wrote: > Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is > worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why not > have both extrinsic and intrinsic, then see what happens? That was the point of the study

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread Joseph Jacks
Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why not have both extrinsic *and* intrinsic, then see what happens? Would love more feedback. On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Tim Hockin wrote: > Curious

Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread
Curiously, I was JUST listening to a radio piece exploring the effects of intrinsic and extrinsic motivators. It is well understood that "common purpose" and "for the greater good" (intrinsic motivators) are more effective than money and stuff (extrinsic motivators). The interesting part was that

[kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread Lucas Käldström
Adding kubernetes-dev and kubernetes-maintainers... On May 28 2017, at 12:31 am, Joseph Jacks wrote: https://twitter.com/kubernetesonarm/status/86851953455105Lucas and I got to DM'ing earlier and came up with this over

[kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

2017-05-27 Thread Joseph Jacks
woops, wrong doc.. correct doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iJebP1EmUYJ-fSh2NvTN6TRc8JUto2sskWId-u7HTI/edit On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 2:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joseph Jacks wrote: > > https://twitter.com/kubernetesonarm/status/86851953455105 > > Lucas and I got to DM'ing earlier and cam